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• Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s a union shop on Union contract. Again you just don’t understand basic facts of life you should have learned in civics.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll ask again, since you comletely ignored the question: so their contracts never expire and never get renegotiated?

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    • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Technically, yes, on paper, they do expire, gets cancelled and renewed every 2-3 years.

      In practice, no. They can’t not be renewed. If the employees don’t accept the agreement there will be a strike, and if the employers don’t accept the agreement they can make a lock-out. If the strike or lock-out leads nowhere, and society comes to a halt, the government can sign a law to require the work to resume on previous terms.

      The individual employer has no more say in the negotiations than an individual employee. The negotiations happen between the employer union and the employee union.

      Keep in mind that some companies actually want to have a union agreement. It’s really only the most unprofessionally run and privately owned companies who believe they can somehow save money from not having an proper agreement with their employees.

      Professionel companies focus on making money instead.of wasting resources fighting their own employees.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If the strike or lock-out leads nowhere, and society comes to a halt

        Hold up, what if the strike leads nowhere and society doesn’t grind to a halt? Because the strike is ineffective, because the union lost most of it’s members because of pay incentives to leave the union?

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    • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The union contract covers the business license generally, so long as that exists the It’s a union shop. They would have to shutdown or mutually enter union termination which happens but it’s incredibly rare. They get renegotiated but generally no one is going to accept less and the company can’t go around the contract to cut pay, they can however provide incentive not to join.

      Legit, not answering your questions isn’t trolling, asking questions you should find out on your own is trolling. Making dumb comments about shit you clearly don’t understand is trolling. Go back to .ml or bother to research the subject you’re all worked up over.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They get renegotiated but generally no one is going to accept less

        This is fundamentally not how anything works. The contract is determined by the relative power between the company and the union. If the union refuses to accept the company’s offer, then their only recourse is stuff like going on strike - and if they don’t have enough members for that to be a credible threat (because they’ve all been bought off) then yes, they will accept lower pay because they will have no other option.

        This is the first thing resembling a real answer you’ve given me after like 20 comments of pure evasion and trolling.

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