Nice graphic. But it seems like it doesn’t factor in kg of mass moved. A human and a bike is a lot lighter than a car or a horse. You could also argue that the vehicle weigh should be ignored but then again you could easily argue back that weight of goods move can possibly be a lot higher with a car if you load it up to capacity.
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SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months agoHumans are actually unusually energy efficient for mammals when walking and even more so when cycling. Here’s a little info graphic showing a breakdown.
One thing to keep in mind if you have a dog is they’re less energy efficient than humans. While dogs can run faster, a reasonably fit human can easily out distance an equally fit dog when walking or distance running.
TDCN@feddit.dk 2 months ago
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
I’m back with better data. I’m assuming the travel path is perfectly flat because I don’t feel like modeling elevation changes. I’m being energy efficient (read: lazy).
For cycling, I’m using the global average human weight of 62 kg, assuming the cycle is 8 kg, and the pace is 10 kph, which is pretty relaxed.
For walking, I’m using the 62 kg person walking at 4 kph.
For driving with petrol, we’ll use the same spherical 62 kg human and a 2024 Toyota Prius with a fuel efficiency of 4.8 L/100 km and a mass of 1570 kg. One liter of petrol is approximately 8174 kcal. Double the energy expenditure for an estimate for your typical SUV.
For electric, I chose a 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N with an energy efficiency of 21.2 kWh/100km and a mass of 2235 kg. One kilowatt-hour is approximately 860 kcal.
Walking: 0.74 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Cycling: 0.34 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(p): 0.24 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(e): 0.08 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^TDCN@feddit.dk 2 months ago
Oh really. It seems to contradict the graphics. Cars are also stupid efficient now. I also ran Dom quick calculations on my electric bike and it is crazy how many km*kWh⁻¹ you get and how little it cost to run.
I’ve heard about some research showing that an electric bike over it’s entire lifetime is more environmentally friendly than a traditional one because the amount of extra food you need to consume without the electric help is over time more co2 than the co2 it costs to charge the battery. I don’t know where the research is from since I just heard it from a colleague so don’t quote me on it, but electric motors are really efficient so it sounds very plausible to me.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Electric bikes are super efficient, I’m a big fan.
While the petrol and electric vehicles are surprisingly efficient moving a given unit of weight, that also includes their own weight, making their overall energy use…not great.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Wait so cars are more efficient than cycling now ?
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Yes and no. They take less energy to move a given unit of weight around, but they’re massively heavy so they expend tons of energy moving themselves the entire time.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Seems so. Even cheating it in favor of the bikes. But looking at electric car numbers it should make ebikes even more effecient.
TDCN@feddit.dk 2 months ago
If only I could up vote your comment again. These numbers are really nice to have.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
It still doesn’t give us kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^, which is what I was looking for. We could do some math to get us some loose estimates, though. I’ll do exactly that and report back shortly.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 months ago
This is very useful. My four friends and I will have to stop swimming to work, and take the car instead.
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
a reasonably fit human can easily out distance an equally fit dog when walking or distance running.
You say that, but I’ve been on hikes lasting a few hours with a dog and they’re still full of energy at the end. Humans are persistence hunters, and I’m sure eventually a dog would get exhausted before a human. But, this isn’t something that most humans are likely to experience with their pets.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Also, I love the units. Using miles on one axis and km on the other.