Comment on What is the attraction to kids?
Candelestine@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I don’t know many of the answers to these questions, I’m no social scientist or doctor. On the tech side of things, this is all very new and we are still coming to grips with it.
I feel pretty comfortable fielding this one though: There should be no exceptions granted for AI generated pornographic content, and a person’s facsimile should have the same protections as actual photos of them. I do not think many people will find this controversial among the general public, as it would pretty clearly serve to protect all of us from having our identities used against our will.
I expect that even our congress should be able to get at least something on the books in this direction. Eventually. Maybe. Or at least the FCC or something.
Even entirely fake/generated characters.
CSAM is one of the tools groomers use to groom kids. “See this is normal. Here look at this. Doesn’t that look like fun?”
There are no easy answers here. The issue is complex and extremely difficult, and I don’t think anyone has it figured out.
Delphia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Let me preface this by saying I DO NOT SUPPORT CSAM!
The only issue I take with AI generated images is that theres no true “age” to the picture and any legislation that would allow people to be jailed or charged would have to be worded very carefully.
“Depicting clearly underage subject matter if it were a person or using prompts to generate someone who clearly appears under aged” simply because someone could be marked for life for typing in “naked elf” and the program spits out something with small boobs and childlike features and not having their HD shredded immediately.
cedarmesa@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Also how do you verify the age of what is essentially a cartoon character? Like if the csam is an obvious toddler thats one thing. I saw an ai pic on here a while back and was like, looks a lil young, borderline, cant really tell. Who gets to decide what is and isnt csam? Certainly our illustrious police in america wouldnt selectively arrest folks based on prejudice. I see potential for a new “we smelled weed in your car” with devastating consequences.
Delphia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Thats exactly my point. Sure the courts may rule in your favor eventually but you just got marched out of work in handcuffs for possession of CSAM, your entire personal and professional circle knows and any explanation you offer is going to sound like total bullshit.
“It was an AI generated image, and it was an elf! She just looked young, but not like illegal young! Guys you have to believe me!”
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 9 months ago
As if I needed another reason to never watch anime.
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 9 months ago
Won’t somebody think of the weebs!
Delphia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Was it the waifu seat covers? The vinyl wrap? The bumper stickers? What gave it away?
Candelestine@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s not congress’ job to make perfect laws, that’d be even less efficient than the one we have now. The interpretation and “fine-tuning” of law is the job of courts, and is literally handled case-by-case and in the hands of judges and literal armies of lawyers every year.
Delphia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ok, when someone gets arrested for possession of CSAM because someone decided those pixels looked a little young and their entire life comes crashing down around their ears, the arrest makes the papers and its forever out there. I’m sure they wont mind at all because after they had to financially ruin themselves to beat the charges in court they were found innocent.
Or
The law gets written well by people that we the people pay to do their job and write the laws.
Candelestine@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Except everyone handwaves away the whole “written well” or “carefully written” part, because there’s no actual good place to draw that line. Which is why you and nobody else can think of one. It will always be eventually up to some judges/juries subjective interpretations, regardless of what line you gave them to work with.
So, they’re just going to ban it all. They do not consider digital art collections to be of very great importance, they’re more interested in things that involve lots and lots of money, generally. Or things that can be used to stoke fear, so they can come in and get a legislative notch on their belt “saving the day” with some half cocked fix.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Has that ever happened though? I don’t think it happens as much as people imagine it does. This is an issue with any CP, not just ai generated stuff.
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 9 months ago
Well, yes it has: stuff.co.nz/…/Man-sent-to-jail-for-watching-pixie…
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So…. 1) they were obviously child like.
I think it’s safe to say he didn’t get convicted for simply viewing a search result. So I stand by what I said: it doesn’t happen as often as people think it does. Even if you come down on one side… that’s one instance in a global world.