Comment on Leo knew it was a joke and laughed because it was just a joke
Vespair@lemm.ee 4 days agoWhat shit? Allowing adults to make autonomous choices rather than infantilizing and pre-ascribing victim status to them?
Again, y’all can’t pretend we’re talking about children, we are talking about full legal adults with rights to autonomy.
If there is coercion or abuse, absolutely demonize and mobilize against that. But until there is, all you have is suspicion and suggestions that infantilize the real adult women in the scenario.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Dating women who are just old enough to be legal but only while they look youthful. While being in a societal position where your life is public and you can do whatever you want, the latter of which many look up to. This normalizes dating women for looks, namely for looking young, instead of for having things in common. This doesn’t exactly improve how women are viewed. Youngness isn’t a woman’s biggest asset and we shouldn’t encourage the normalization of the view that it is. The fact that some women are complicit in this doesn’t change it.
sudneo@lemm.ee 4 days ago
People are allowed to date for whatever reason they want. As long as two adults are freely consenting it’s not up to you to be the moral police and decide what should push people to date each other.
They can date for the looks, to look or feel younger, to go outside their comfort zone, for sexual pleasure, for pure intellectual attraction, for material benefit, for […long list].
This is one of the instances in which the good goal of fighting abuse becomes bigotry. It’s basically like religious moralism.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This would be true in a vacuum where marginalization and power dynamics don’t exist. It’s a symptom of women’s systemic oppression and needs to be called out as that in order to fight womens oppression. Especially since this is happening in the public eye and thus shaping people’s views. I’m not doubting the women are consenting, and they’re not to blame at all. It’s Leo and the media and public opinion that are doing harm by framing this situation as desirable.
sudneo@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Hard disagree.
Also there are plenty of opposite examples (i.e., older women celebrities dating younger guys), what is that a symptom of?
This has nothing to do with feminism imho. In fact, I would say the opposite, it’s an attempt to prescribe what women should do. Religious morality.
Vespair@lemm.ee 4 days ago
There are a million valid reasons to value and date a person, and their looks, even potentially the youthfulness of those looks, is one the same as any other. We don’t live in the world of perfect reason devoid of animalism that you’re pretending; sexual attraction is and is always going to be a part of the equation. While we should continue making strides to ensure women are valued for their contributions to society and have more equitable positions and opportunities, I do not believe that means sterilizing or desexifying society nor artificially pretending the inherently inequitable nature of human attractiveness is somehow something that can be forced into equity through social pressure. Life is just simply more nuanced than that.
bluewing@lemm.ee 4 days ago
So you want to take agency away from every adult so they conform to your views only?
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Nothing I said could even be reasonably misconstrued to indicate that I do.
I’m asking people to examine their potential biases when they are ok with the symptoms of the marginalisation of certain groups of people.
The people who use what society reduces them to to their benefit in the few instances that they can arent to blame in the slightest btw. I just hope they’ll get past this without trauma, unlike every woman I know that dated an older man very shortly after becoming a legal adult.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 4 days ago
When I read your whole comment, I feel like you’re ascribing the blame in the wrong place. It’s the “many” who choose to look up to these people, using their standards in place of their own, that I would say is the real issue here. Leo doing this does not normalize dating women for looks for me. Neither does Pharrell Williams buying a cybertruck and riding around in it influence or normalize cybertrucks for me. If people want things based on superficial reasons, they’ll learn that it’s only superficial and doesn’t have substance.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You’re right, those are to blame too. That’s why I made the comment. I didn’t think it’d reach Leo. I thought I’d make a person or two think about whether that’s ok behaviour to emulate and an ok view on women to have.
Vespair@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I think you’re making serious assumptions and assuming a binary where none exists.
First off, nobody, here or in mainstream popular culture, is holding Leo’s relationships as model behavior. Leo may perhaps have “role model” status, but all avenues to which that moniker can be affixed apply to his body of work, talent, work ethic, etc; there is just nobody in mainstream culture referring to him as a role model in terms of romantic entanglements, at least not seriously.
So with that in mind, let’s discuss the binary here. Things aren’t either good or bad, they just simply aren’t. A entire gulf of experience in neutrality lays between the enviable and damned. So as I see it, the question here, at least the one posed by my comment, isn’t “are Leo’s relationships enviable role model behavior?,” because I don’t think that was ever in question, but rather “are Leo’s relationships damnedable?”, and to that the answer is a clear and resounding no, for me at least.