Comment on Anon cheats through college

nednobbins@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• MintyAnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Professors hate this one weird trick called “studying”

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• JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yeah, if you memorized the code and it’s functionality well enough to explain it in a way that successfully bullshit someone who can sight-read it… You know how that code works. You might need a linter, but you know how that code works and can probably at least fumble your way through a shitty 0.5v of it

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• naught101@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t think that’s true. That’s like saying that watching hours of guitar YouTube is enough to learn to play. You need to practice too, and learn from mistakes.

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  • RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t think that’s quite accurate.

    The “understand it well enough to explain it to a professor” clause is carrying a lot of weight here - if that part is fulfilled, then yeah, you’re actually learning something.

    Unless of course, all of the professors are awful at their jobs too. Most of mine were pretty good at asking very pointed questions to figure out what you actually know, and could easily unmask a bullshit artist with a short conversation.

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    • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I didn’t say you’d learn nothing, but the second take was not just to explain (when you’d have the code in front of you to look at), but to actually write new code, for a new problem, from scratch.

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    • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You don’t need physical skills to program, there is nothing that needs to be hone in into the physical memory by repetition. If you know how to type and what to type, you’re ready to type. Of you know what strings to pluck, you still need to train your fingers to do it, it’s a different skill.

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  • nednobbins@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s more like if played a song on Guitar Hero enough to be able to pick up a guitar and convince a guitarist that you know the song.

    Code from ChatGPT (and other LLMs) doesn’t usually work on the first try. You need to go fix and add code just to get it to compile. If you actually want it to do whatever your professor is asking you for, you need to understand the code well enough to edit it.

    It’s easy to try for yourself. You can go find some simple programming challenges online and see if you can get ChatGPT to solve a bunch of them for you without having to dive in and learn the code.

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    • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean I feel like depending on what kind of problems they started off with ChatGPT probably could just solve simple first year programming problems. But yeah as you get to higher level classes it will definitely not fully solve the stuff for you and you’d have to actually go in and fix it.

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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No he’s right. Before ChatGPT there was Stack Overflow. A lot of learning to code is learning to search up solutions on the Internet. The crucial thing is to learn why that solution works though. The idea of memorizing code like a language is impossible. You’ll obviously memorize some common stuff but things change really fast in the programming world.

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