Comment on Don't forget where we came from and what shaped us as a species. The Jungle.

• SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You know mate you get people with extreme opinions in all walks of life.

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No doubt about it, but I am yet to see someone who eats meat calling for vegans to be forcibly fed meat - and I have seen vegans saying that eating meat should be forbidden.

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    • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sure, but vegans have a moral reason for you to stop eating meat.

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      • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nope.

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    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A vegan will have a larger sample size of non-vegans interacting with them than vice versa, simply because a small percentage of people is vegan. So their experience of said interactions is much less anecdotal.

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    • Whateley@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bullshit.

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• starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve seen quite a few times black people have abused welfare programs. Usually they’re posted under conservative accounts, and I get flamed in the comments for pointing out that these are videos posted by someone with an agenda who wants their audience to think certain things about certain groups of people without providing actual data on the subject

  Do you think maybe some of the videos of vegans being douchebags that you’ve seen have been posted by someone with an agenda who wants their audience to think certain things about certain groups of people without providing actual data on the subject?

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• AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Have you seen how wool is actually collected? It’s quite violent.

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  • Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Have you seen how wool is actually collected?

    Yes, in a sheering shed and not on youtube.

    It is not violent when done correctly, and the best shearers in the industry who can smoothly and quickly sheer a sheep without injury are highly sought after.

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    • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are these best shearers not still commoditizing the products of the body of another thinking being?

      How do we know your claims of non-violent sheering are true?

      Where is the sheep in this shed, now?

      Do they still have their horns?

      Do they still have their tail?

      How much of the industry do these sought-after shearers even represent?

      “Firstly, and most fundamentally, sheep and other animals should not be farmed and used for profit in the first place. Vegans stand against all forms of animal imprisonment, and against all industries in which animals are used for human gain.

      Secondly, those that are farmed are subject to active cruelty and pain.

      Many of us are told that shearing is as painless for sheep as going for a haircut is to us, but this is not true.

      Shearing is often done in a fast-paced environment where workers are paid by the sheep, not the hour, which leads to inevitable cuts, bruises and injury. As reported by PETA, one eyewitness to the process said: “[T]he shearing shed must be one of the worst places in the world for cruelty to animals … I have seen shearers punch sheep with their shears or their fists until the sheep’s nose bled. I have seen sheep with half their faces shorn off …”

      Sheep have been selectively bred to grow as much wool as possible, which makes their lives painful and uncomfortable. As mentioned previously, wool is often justified on the grounds that the animals need to be shorn, but this is only because we humans have bred them to be this way.

      Because they are selectively bred to maximise wool growth, the sheep must be sheared at least once a year - meaning they will often overheat during the summer.

      Heat exhaustion is common in farmed sheep, particularly those that live abroad. In Australia, the world’s largest exporter of wool, sheep often do not survive the summer. Blow Flies can lay their eggs within a sheep’s wrinkles in hot climates, due to a build-up of moisture. Horrifically, the animals can be eaten alive by maggots when they hatch. This is called Flystrike and can kill the sheep within days if left untreated.

      Mulesing is a method that intends to stop flies from laying eggs in a sheep’s skin, but this practice is horrific and painful in itself. It involves cutting off parts of a lamb’s skin, often done without anaesthetic, subjecting them to excruciating pain both during the procedure and the weeks it takes them to recover.

      Tail docking - the intentional removal of part of the tail by cutting, searing or similar - is another painful method used by farmers in the wool industry. It is claimed that this is necessary to prevent flies from laying eggs in faecal material that builds up on their tails. As well as being painful, there is a risk of rectal prolapse if this procedure is not carried out properly.

      Mulesing and tail docking are often done to lambs when they are between two and 10 weeks old. Lambs subjected to this cruelty will often lose weight and socialise less in the weeks after, and they will also actively avoid people - particularly the person who did it to them. This clearly shows that lambs have the capacity to feel fear and experience - and remember - pain.

      Once a sheep has stopped growing enough wool to be profitable for the farmer, they are often killed for cheap meat. Many sheep, particularly those from Australia, are exported to other countries on an overcrowded ship to their death, which is an unimaginably horrific experience for the animal. Can wool ever be ethical?

      While wool farms differ in their levels of cruelty, and there will be a minority who do ensure that their sheep are not subject to active pain, it still cannot be argued that wool can ever be ethical.

      This is because, as mentioned previously, all animals used for profit are not where they are by choice, meaning that - however ‘ethical’ the farm is - it is still a centre of imprisonment and exploitation.”

      www.surgeactivism.org/…/why-wool-not-vegan>>>

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      • Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Are these best shearers not still commoditizing the products of the body of another thinking being?

        What does that have to do with the question of whether or not the process of shearing is violent?

        How do we know your claims of non-violent sheering are true?

        How do you know PETAs claims are true? (“As reported by PETA, one eyewitness to the process said”)

        I’ve been an eyewitness to the process, and I’m not idealogically biased the way PETA extremists are known to be.

        Where is the sheep in this shed, now?

        What? This sentence just doesn’t make sense. The sheep don’t live in the shed.

        The females of the breeds I have observed don’t have horns, and their tails are docked to prevent excrutiatingly painful death by flystrike.

        The alternative to wool production in Australia is cotton, which is even more environmentally destructive than sheep are, mostly due to the sheer amount of water required for cotton production. People need clothes so these industries aren’t going away.

        Shearers have an interest in not causing unecessary harm to sheep, because it is counter productive. That’s my experience.

        The rest of your argument is moralising which I am uninterested in.

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you one of the idiots claiming sheep are sexually attacked during wool cutting?

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    • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like you’re conflating things. Sheep, in their entire life cycles, are harmed and violated in a variety of ways. Considering they are forcibly bred, that aspect of their exploitation is arguably sexual assault.

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      • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, yes, and what is your doctor saying about that?

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• AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Here’s a video on wool, but content warning, it is graphic despite blurring.

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  m.youtube.com/watch?v=8jNev6KVFnM&pp=ygUNdmVnYW5p…

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is wool cutting a sexual assault according to you?

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    • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Did you watch the video?

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      • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Is wool cutting a sexual assault according to you?

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