Kinda like people complaining Rage Against the Machine becoming political.
Always has been.
Comment on I liked Star Trek before it got woke. /s
Desistance@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I never understood that complaint about Star Trek. The series has ALWAYS been woke since the beginning.
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Loce@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True in a way, but it was more philosophical and not “in your face”. It made you think about it, and the story was way waay better and deeper than today’s pew-pew starwars approach to star trek. Every episode had a meaning and a lession.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
they did the first US interracial kiss during a time that would be controversial.
it was “in your face”
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It was much better integrated into the story. The problem isn’t the message, it’s the writing.
Loce@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah but that was something that happened and it wasnt a big deal, that’s the whole point. It wasnt the centerpoint of the whole episode, it wasnt the main act and talked about throughout the episode non stop. It’s just something that was normal and happened in normal day to day life. In future these things are considered normal and not worth talking about, because racism is something that did not exist in like 300 years.
Hugin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah the problem isn’t the ideals being in there but how bad the story is makes the ideals seem like a cheap crutch.
Compare Brokeback Mountain to Ben and Arthur. Both movies about the relationship between gay men and society. Both say gay people should be treated fairly by socity but aren’t. The first does it in interesting way with great storytelling and ideas. The later is a hamfisted mess.
I’m not going to say modern Trek is Ben and Arthur bad but it is much closer to Ben and Arthur writing then it is to Brokeback Mountain.