How does that work? IIRC, Trump was impeached twice, yet stayed in office.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Impeachment, but that starts with a 218 vote in the House and the House is on his side.
urandom@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Impeachment, but that starts with a 218 vote in the House and the House is on his side.
How does that work? IIRC, Trump was impeached twice, yet stayed in office.
ddplf@szmer.info 4 weeks ago
So you actually need majority to PREVENT the collapse of democracy, and if you don’t have it, you’re fucked? How the fuck did this country even manage not to succumb into dictatorship for such a long time?
jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Worse… The House makes the impeachment charge, that’s a 50% majority vote.
THEN it goes to the Senate for conviction where you need a 2/3rds majority to remove them. 67/100.
That’s the body which can’t do anything because they’re blocked by a 60 vote super majority to over-ride A filibuster.
So you get 218 in the House, goes to the Senate, needs 60 votes to end debate and proceed with charges, then 67 votes to convict and remove.
Trump’s first impeachment got 48 and 47 votes.
His second was 57 votes.
…wikipedia.org/…/First_impeachment_trial_of_Donal…
…wikipedia.org/…/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Tru…
If he had been convicted, he would have been inelligible to run in '24.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The founders probably imagined no self respecting person, oligarch or otherwise, would want to live under authoritarian rule.
Turns the 21st century bourgeois is full of pussy ass bitches.
rhombus@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
They never could have imagined our modern society at all. The amount of power and influence held by just a handful of private citizens couldn’t have been accounted for in the 18th century.
alleycat@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
If enough people in a democracy decide that they want a dictatorship instead, then there is no stopping it, because rules don’t matter at this point. The trick is to don’t let it get this far. Tough shit for the US, though.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
If people democratically voted to end democracy, what are we suppose to do?
Forbo@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
People democratically sat on their asses and didn’t bother to fucking vote. More people abstained from voting than actually voted for either candidate. The real winner of the election was apathy. We deserve whatever fucked up outcome we get.
tamal3@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The rest of the world doesn’t deserve it…
drthunder@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
The ruling class was able to get along well enough up until the US Civil War, at which point the slavers decided they were willing to tear the country apart to keep on slaving. I include this because the Nazis were inspired by Jim Crow and how we did things over here. Fascism started bubbling up in the early 20th century because industrialization and capitalism polluted everything and made people work awful hours and all that, and liberalism and conservatism hadn’t fixed it. There was a serious coup attempt forming in the early 30s called the Business Plot, but they went to a war hero Marine general who told them to fuck off and told the federal government about it.
At least in the US, we’re in this situation now because authoritarians have been working toward it since the 60s (the Powell Memo was written in 1971 I think) and they’ve taken advantage of how terribly the Constitution is written, along with consolidation of wealth and stoking backlash to all the civil rights movements to get people to back them. The worst part is that it’s a feedback loop: since Reagan took power, Republicans campaign on “look how bad the government is!” and make the government worse once they’re in office, which feeds their cause.
tl;dr capitalism makes living conditions terrible, people abandon liberalism and conservatism for socialism/communism/etc and fascism, liberals don’t want much to change, fascism lives or dies based on how much conservatives sell out to/ally with them. The fact that we’re doing this all again shows to me that liberalism is a dead ideology and capitalism is going to kill us if we don’t kill it first.
ogmios@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Well the country didn’t previously have a legion of mouth breathing retards screaming at the top of their lungs about micro-aggressions and declaring that the nation was illegitimate.
ddplf@szmer.info 4 weeks ago
Yes it had, and that legion even stormed the fucking capitol.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
It has been under corporate dictatorship for over a century.