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MITM0@lemmy.world 4 weeks agoApparently you project your toxicity onto the decent (eventhough you’re a leftist) Nuance is clearly, not your forte
You went pretty quickly into insulting me simply because I don’t agree that hateful bigots should be considered “decent people”.
You’ve shown plenty of evidence that you are not qualified to determine who are “decent people” and who is “toxic”. Seems I was able to determine the toxic nuance embedded in your comment just fine.
Yeah when you go Leftist good, Rightist bad, well let’s say that, that kind of dumb thinking is what makes you lose strength in the eyes of apolitical people & invites trouble , the world of politics is too murky for you behave like that
Oh & as for rudeness, you’re the very definition of hateful since you cannot compartmentalize, You have made your politics into your entire identity & as for rooting out things; Leftists have been losing a lot of potential recruits lately haven’t they (you couldn’t root out your own toxicity)
I’m “hateful” because I disagree that people who support a literal felon rapist get to be called “decent”?
It’s clear you’re just a troll, because you don’t even make an attempt at logic and immediately jump to insults to try to. Your post history proves that you desire downvotes like it somehow validates your pathetic child behavior.
The right has shown time and time again that they specifically want to define the entire party as “all or nothing” and we can only accept that as truth. Yet, when people treat them that way we are making things black-and-white, “Leftist good, Rightist bad”.
You can’t hide your true face, troll.
Have you ever IRL had a conversation with a trump supporter face to face? Ever? And what state do you live in. I’m so curious about this. Because you’re totally wrong and your wholesale dismissal of roughly half the country is idiotic strategy if you ever wanna win an election again.
I’m convinced that most online liberals have never had a conversation IRL with someone who voted for trump.
All my coworkers voted for trump despite the fact that I live in a deep blue state. Why? Because the cost of living is out of control (and then brilliant biden gaslit everyone by saying this is the best economy ever… for whom?! maybe the coastal liberal elite work from home laptop class bubble but not the rest of us who punch in and out of work every day at blue collar jobs) and they don’t approve of the wars. They’re cool with minorities, gays, trans people. They’re not “deplorables.”
I’m originally from NY, outside the city. When I talk to my friends at home they live in a goddamn fucking bubble. I live in vermont and people here are far more politically independent than there.
One of my coworkers, who I consider a friend, is a 30 something straight woman who voted for trump. I asked her if she was worried about reproductive rights. She said no, she’s protected by Vermonts constitutional right to it. I asked her well what if that’s removed? She said she would regret her vote if that was the case. She doesn’t like trump but she hates how hard she’s been struggling under biden like ALL my coworkers. We had a nonbinary person at work (who has since left) and everybody treated them respectfully and used proper pronouns. Hell, they were better than me, I have no problem with gender diversity but I struggle to remember.
gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I can’t think of a single Conservative social talking point that would make them good people. You have to remember these are the same people who want to ban abortion, gay marriage, remove rights from minorities, and have ‘in’ and ‘out’ crowds. There’s no ‘good people’ there. They may perform good actions, sure, but their belief system is entirely about stagnation and dogma.
MITM0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Left aren’t any better, they have stallin apologists for one
jumjummy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You’re a naive fool if you think democrats have an “open border policy”. Go talk to your right wing business owners and suggest that if we really wanted to stop illegal immigration, we would jail business owners who hire them. Surprise surprise, those right wing owners exploit these people but don’t really want to stop any illegal immigration.
MITM0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Funny because, those right wing business owners never said that They would rather employ their own people, rather than those immigrants
You’re talking about corporations, who don’t really have any political affiliation & try to suck up to anyone who is currently in charge
Again you assume all right-winger are the same, People are very nuanced & it’s naive to go “Leftists = bad & Rightists = scumbags”
Whateley@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Those are called tankies and nobody likes them. Especially those of us on the left.
“Marginalizing the majority”. Yeah, because white Americans are so marginalized with their hegemonic control over the state and capital.
Oh, no! The economy is tanking because Juan from Chiapas got a job picking oranges for a Dole contractor in California for less than federal minimum wage because his shitbird boss pays him under the table. Do you know how fucking stupid that sounds?
No, there is no world outside of politics. The personal is political. Choosing to associate with ignorant bigots says more about your values than any half-cocked appeal to moderation.
MITM0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What hedgemonic control ? People have been losing jobs left & right
The right knows how to mask their hatred when it counts, while the left is busy virtue-signaling, Anyone half-intelligent will use whatever tools effective & honestly so will
Rightist policy of exclusion is pretty good you know, I want to exclude capitalists from society for e.g
meowMix2525@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
noooo you HAVE to enforce borders with violence!!! How else will you keep out all the cretins from nations whose infrastructure you’ve destroyed and resources you’ve plundered!!! You can’t possibly take care of all those people, think of tHe EcOnOmY!!! hahaha that’s so funny guy you really think this is a normal and well adjusted view of the world. The scare quotes around uplifting minorities is a cherry on top. You’re so devoid of empathy you can’t even fucking imagine a world of people that actually care about each other for the sake of their humanity.
I’ll take a “stallin apologist” over a capitalist that cares more about his stocks than his fellow man. Any fucking day of the week.
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
And this is where the left fucks up. I live in a state full of ski resorts (and work for one) where they import cheap legal immigrant H1B and J1 labor rather than pay living wages to locals, depressing area wages.
During the 2020-2021 season, they couldn’t import labor because the borders were closed over covid. Guess what? I got a $4.00 an hour raise instead of a $0.40 raise.
I support refugees coming here, I do not support the current immigration system that abuses cheap foreign labor and treats them like slaves because they have very few rights and if they meaningfully speak up at their work place asking for better work conditions they get sent home.
Liberals support that bullshit because it fuels their treat economy. Leftists should not.
MITM0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I do care about empathy, just not for people who keep saying “Right wing bad, Left wing good” When have you actually done something for the working class ??
Oh & reminder Stallin apologists are class traitors, if these are the people you’d chose then you are basically killing your own movement you’re too busy marginalizing the majority, which can be turned to your side
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
The Stalin apologists are mostly an online phenomenon and a tiny but loud minority. I’m leftist and anarchist. Authoritarian communism/socialism (since USSR was never communist…) doesn’t interest me. And theory from the turn of the 20th century is nice but doesn’t apply well to the extreme tech advancement of the 21st.
gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So I’m going to skip the obvious Russian talking points here (open border policy causes economic damage? What the fuck are you talking about? Stalin apologists–like Putin? He’s not Left wing) and go straight to
“you end up marginalizing the majority”
No, you don’t. One of the key socialist ideals is that when one person suffers, we all suffer. There are arguments about how to reach true equanimity, but until then just by being ‘the standard’ you are impossible to marginalize. Conservatism puts men first, especially in our movies:
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Room temperature? Designed for middle aged white men.
If men are ‘demonized,’ why are only 8.2% of CEO’s women? Why are abortions controlled, but not vasectomies?
I understand why you are saying these things though, people on ‘the Right’ fall for Russian propaganda far more than ‘the Left’ do:
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inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Everyone I know who voted for trump did so because they’ve been crushed by inflation under biden and disagree with his awful foreign policy. NONE of them are of the christofascist conservative variety. Most of them voted split tickets.