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inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Have you ever IRL had a conversation with a trump supporter face to face? Ever? And what state do you live in. I’m so curious about this. Because you’re totally wrong and your wholesale dismissal of roughly half the country is idiotic strategy if you ever wanna win an election again.

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gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Absolutely. I live in a very red state. I constantly see racism and bigotry personally, and also my area is far too often in the national news due to the right’s actions. I’ve personally seen:

Nazi flags flown on vehicles (often alongside a Trump flag), also confederate flags all over

people being falsely (proven by law and law enforcement) accused of rape because of their ethnicity and/or nationality

library workers get death threats because they are simply doing their job or stating “we don’t even carry those books” when radicals want to ban books because they don’t agree with the ideas in them

OBGYN departments at the hospital forced to close because they can’t get doctors to work here because they will be criminally prosecuted for doing their job

LGBTQ+ people threatned for existing

And that is not adding in smaller everyday examples of general bigotry.

Not only do I constantly interact with right wingers, as they are the vast majority of the population, but I also have family that have been elected to state positions. I helped make that happen, as well. I have also been involved with other’s campaigns.

I have no idea how or why you are somehow connecting with my own personal judgement of people by their own actions with a “strategy” of winning elections.

This is the main disconnect. Right wingers either don’t want to believe that these horrible things are happening, or they simply like the behavior.
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- inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Ok I see the problem. You think all people who vote for trump are like the christofascists you’re unfortunately surrounded by. You’re wrong, they’re not. And that’s a terrible mistake to make.
  
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  - gofsckyourself@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The problem is that the right wing has defined themselves as such, because that is who they support and position to run our country. So, by supporting the right at all, then you are willfully supporting exactly those people. Trump has defined the party as “you’re with me or you’re out” and the party as a whole has joined in that.
    
    Additionally, since Trump is the main leader of this whole party, then supporting the party means supporting him directly, of course. He is a clear liar, a convicted felon, and a proven rapist.
    
    So, yeah, I’m going to lump all Trump voters together. That is based on their own actions, not by some arbitrary personal desire.
    
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    inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Except that’s simply not true. Every single trump voter I know IRL is not interested at all in christofascism and believes in states rights - that our states relatively progressive constitution will protect our social policies - women’s and queer rights for example.
    
    What will be interesting is if the states rights crowd goes after states with constitutional policies they don’t like, like mine.
    
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