You could say the same things about Churchill who certainly wasn’t left wing.
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Allero@lemmy.today 3 days agoStalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior, and so the way you describe him would differ depending on the angle of the conversation.
If the talking point is the rights of the LGBT+ people (or, really, people’s rights overall sometimes), there’s no excuse for him there, and I’m pretty sure Hexbear is not quite the place for a homophobic rhetoric.
But they may point out in other terms that under Stalin’s rule the economy got insanely boosted, the WW2 was won, and many megaprojects used to this day were constructed.
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volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 days ago
You can’t say the same things about Churchill, there was no massive equalisation of wages in England during his rule, nor a planned economy guaranteeing a job to anyone who wanted a job, nor a collectivisation of agriculture and of the means of production, nor a state-backing of unions, nor an immense push towards literacy and women’s rights and education…
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Equalisation of wages in the USSR: Lets lower all wages to the lowest of them all and introduce corruption as an obligation to survive!
Handy tool against dissidents too, corruption.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Regarding corruption, I made a little writeup a while ago about why corruption is systematically overestimated in the USSR which, if you’re arguing from good faith, you won’t have a problem checking out.
Regarding “lowering wages”, you’re simply wrong. That’s just from the 60s, but material wealth of people rose at unparalleled speed in the USSR, faster than any country before that. And when the USSR economy stagnated in the 70s, real median wages kept rising at around 3.5% yearly
chandlerbung@lemmy.cafe 3 days ago
No he’s a monster. You don’t stop being a monster because you also did good alongside the evil.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Being lucky oil prices went up (same for Putin) and people thinking it’s your magic leadership lol.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
The oil prices boomed around WW2, while the highest wave of economic growth in the Soviet Union was in the 30’s.
It is Khrushchev and following leaders that benefitted from oil
j_overgrens@feddit.nl 3 days ago
Replace Stalin with Hitler and you understand how insane you sound. (Oh and ditch the part about winning ww2)
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
Hitler took an already established economy and rearranged it towards national capital while killing Jews en masse and initiating a World War.
Not quite comparable.
j_overgrens@feddit.nl 3 days ago
Stalin took an already establishing economy and rearranged it towards national capital while killing Jews en masse and allied with Nazi’s.
Allero@lemmy.today 3 days ago
Already establishing? What does that even mean, lol
Stalin also didn’t promote national capital - aside from the fact the word “capital” does not reflect quite the same thing in the context of socialism, the policy of “socialism in a separate country” is nothing more than a reaction to the failure of world revolution. He continued international partnerships with socialist countries and participated in The Communist International.
Soviet Union did not genocide Jews and was not tied to Holocaust. The alliance with Nazis only held through the first stage of WWII as long as it was seen more as a contained European issue. It is true, however, that Soviet Union participated in occupation of Poland.
Miaou@jlai.lu 3 days ago
And those two things you mentioned have nothing to do with his political alignment
vga@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
His one and only remeeding deed was that he finally, eventually, only after being stabbed in the back, fought against Hitler by throwing millions of russians at them and thanks to US support managed barely to win.
In every other way he was a total monster.