Yes, with one caveat: it isn’t going to work like a lot of other distros when it comes to installing packages. If you need help, use the uBlue forums.
Otherwise, it’s great, and very stable.
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Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Would this be a good distro for a noob who’s thinking about switching from Windows? Or is this more advanced to maintain and use as a daily driver?
trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
I advise against using Bazzite as a Windows convert, unless you’re happy to do a lot of reading to understand what you’re actually signing up for. The founder doesn’t really care about Windows Gamers (or anyone outside of the professional linux world), according to a comment they made earlier today in response to criticism of the description “cloud native”.
To save you a click, the conversation was about the description of Bazzite as “cloud native” on the bazzite homepage* can be confusing or even misleading for people who assume it means “will run in the cloud”. The founder explicitly commented they’ll keep doubling down on the term until people no longer complain about it.
Their argument was that there is an entire foundation for Cloud Native Computing and that the concept is “an incredibly common thing in any professional paid Linux job.” They understand that Windows Gamers in particular might have the aforementioned misconception, but they don’t care if you get it.
That doesn’t necessarily make Bazzite a bad distro, but I’d be wary about the level of assistance you can expect from people who think that a technical word soup featuring terms like “build our images” and “deploying Linux environments to users” is enough to explain that “cloud native” actually just means the development process and the end product has nothing to do with the cloud.
*Specifically, the homepage’s text opens with:
“Bazzite is a cloud native image built upon Fedora Atomic Desktops that brings the best of Linux gaming to all of your devices - including your favorite handheld.”
I don’t know why they’d lead with the development method, rather than describing what the OS actually does, but apparently that’s what they care most about.As an aside, I don’t see any obvious description what “atomic” means on the Fedora Atomic site either.
quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
Cloud native is the end product too. The point of my firmness with you was not to express that I don’t care about windows users – quite the contrary, none of this would exist without that – but to express that I don’t care about your issue with the definition of a defined word.
luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Cloud native is the end product too.
What bearing does it have on use of the end product? If I am a German Native, but move to France, and someone asks me where I live, what difference does it make whether I’m German Native?
Bazzite isn’t cloud based in the sense of “runs in the cloud”. If you install it on your computer, it runs on your computer. It’s not a cloud resident, in the sense of that analogy, no matter whether it was born there.
Unless it does, in which case it would seem that the term isn’t quite so clear as you think.
I don’t care about your issue with the definition of an already defined word.
My issue isn’t with the definition, but with the implicit assumption that it’s well known or easy to understand, as well as the way it is used. We had that discussion over in the other thread already, but the gist of your replies has always been “I don’t care if the term is useless or can be misunderstood. It’s correct, so it stays.” That stance is my issue.
doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
My issue isn’t with the definition, but with the implicit assumption that it’s well known or easy to understand, as well as the way it is used.
Bruh, they literally link to their definition, right there where it’s first mentioned on the home page… You literally copied the link when you copied their first paragraph in your previous comment.
You may not like the way it’s being used, but you can’t get any further away from “assuming it’s easy to understand” than a link to your meaning.
And on that note, you said you couldn’t find a definition of Atomic on Fedora’s site… So I clicked just one link from your posted link their and found this.
Atomic - The whole system is updated in one go, and an update will not apply if anything goes wrong, meaning you will always have a working computer.
I read your posted argument from earlier, and I want to believe you when you argue your goal is to make Linux more accessible. But the reality of your arguments seem to tell a different story. You seem more interested in dying on a pointless hills while dissuading interested converts from trying what is one of the most stable and user friendly distros I’ve ever tried.
Linux is going to have a LOT of terms a new user will have to learn. The idea of a cloud native image may cause a misconception, but no more so than any of the other myriad terms a new user will have to learn.
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Thanks for that insight, Lucifer
doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I would be skeptical of Lucifer’s insight on this. By his own admission, he has never actually used Bazzite, and is basing his opinion on a single argument he had with one of the many dev’s in another post. To quote Lucifer directly :
I don’t have an accurate sense of how much you’d have to learn about bazzite, so I’ll have trust you on this
Obviously switching to Linux will cause you to encounter new terms you won’t be familiar with, or terms you are familiar with used in new and novel ways, devs and users will be opinionated and have arguments over these terms (and everything else an opinion can be had on frankly). And Lucifer’s concerns on this front are not without merit, but he is overstating the severity in this case and painting a wildly inaccurate picture. And you don’t actually need to gain a deep understanding of all these terms anyway. (Right away or at all depending on your goals)
But through all of that, what really matters at the end of the day is how useable is it, and how solid is the community surrounding it. And on that front I can say Bazzite has been hands down the easiest distro I have ever used for plug and play Linux gaming, and the community has been endlessly helpful and beginner friendly. I’d recommend it fully, and if you hop into their Discord, or read over their homepage and guides, it quickly becomes apparent how hard they work to make it beginner friendly.
There are some good alternatives, Mint for example is a very easy distro to make the switch from Windows. As is Pop_OS!. And with how easy steam has made running games, it’s harder to find a bad choice in general nowadays.
To shift topics, I’d say the most important thing to a “smooth switch from Windows” is less the distro you choose, and more the Desktop Environment. (Which, for the point of this recommendation, is the catch all term for what your OS “looks like”, where the “Start Menu” is, where your “tool bar to switch apps” is, etc) For a new Windows convert, I’d say find one that uses “KDE”, as it is very similar to Windows. Bazzite offers this when you are downloading the installation image. But it’s quite popular, so many others will anyway.
Sorry for the extended rant, hope this initial mess didn’t make you less likely to try Linux! I was a Windows convert just a couple years ago and can say it was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made! Feel free to ask any questions, or hop over to the Bazzite Discord to get some helpful insights!
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Sorry for the extended rant, hope this initial mess didn’t make you less likely to try Linux!
No apologies necessary! That’s very helpful and makes me more likely to take the plunge. Thank you for the rant!
quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
Yes, it’s designed to be as easy as possible to manage and exceedingly difficult to break in a permanent way.
It’s also turnkey in comparison to Windows, in the sense that you already have all of your hardware drivers and already have Steam installed right from the get-go.