Comment on Bosses and workers still can’t agree on whether the commute is part of the work day, and it’s creating a $578 billion productivity problem

dojan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They would just not hire people that live two hours away.

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  • JamesFire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And this is a problem because…?

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    • Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because that just limits people’s ability to find employment.

      I’ve had jobs where I lived 10 minutes away, and took a different job with a further commute because it paid significantly more.

      Should an employee have to up and move their house every time they change employers, or should employees be able to decide if a long commute is worth it to them based on the offer?

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      • JamesFire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Because that just limits people’s ability to find employment.

        Not really? In cities with actual functional public transit, you can go way further than you can with a car. In cities with reasonable density, the stuff you need, including job opportunities, aren’t 2 hours away to begin with. The problem isn’t incentivizing short commutes.

        Even in my city with mediocre transit, and that’s got way more sprawl than necessary for the population, I can cross the city, a distance of 20 miles/31km, using transit, in 1.5hrs. The problem isn’t incentivizing short commutes.

        I’ve had jobs where I lived 10 minutes away, and took a different job with a further commute because it paid significantly more.

        How much further? 30 mins? 2 hours? Let me guess, you used a car because transit and density is bad?

        Should an employee have to up and move their house every time they change employers, or should employees be able to decide if a long commute is worth it to them based on the offer?

        That’s a load question, a strawman, and a black or white fallacy. It isn’t an either/or, and framing it as if it is is dishonest.

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  • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But the pool of people living close enough is really small.

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• severien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would move as far as possible from the job site. 2 hours one way on a train watching Netflix, 4 hours work, 2 hours relax on the train. That would be nice.

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  • randomname01@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    …and you just wouldn’t get hired, because the guy who lives next to their office is a more attractive option, even if he’s only 80% as productive as you.

    And that’s arguably why it makes some sense; companies would be more likely to hire more locally and be more flexible about remote work - both of which save precious planetary resources ánd people’s time.

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  • patchwork@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    okay but when do chores happen? i can barely keep up on dishes and laundry with a 45 minute commute each way. sleep, too…

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    • severien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Currently you work 8 hours + 1.5 hours commute. With this you’d work 6.5 hours + 1.5 hour commute, so you’d have 1.5 extra hour for chores or whatever.

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      • patchwork@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        i didn’t realize the commute was implicitly a part of the 8 hours in your scenario. that makes a little more sense.

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  • cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re highlighting that it’s not a great solution, but at least a 2x hourly rate a day flat payment per office call would be an acknowledgement of my time.

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• snooggums@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There should be a reasonable limit of one hour in normal traffic for the commute each way though. Basing it on time would encourage companies to be flexible on start/end times to avoid needing to pay for people to sit in traffic, and there should be some kind of high but not crazy limit on commute time.

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  • mrpants@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes I should only have to kiss and lick one boot a day each way maximum.

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