Submitted 1 day ago by Orwi@programming.dev to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
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Meanwhile, people arriving by small boat will have to wait 20 years for settlement, with a further 10 years for those who have not entered work or study
They should be permanently disqualified, if not deported
Could they deport you instead? For whatever reason you have in mind.
I am a citizen of this nation, I abide and respect the law, even those I disagree with. I do not think we should let people who we don’t know in undocumented who are trying their hand at paying criminal gangs. If you can’t respect something as simple as the border, you should have zero right to be here.
People born here to people settled got to stay here 10 years begore they apply through form T. How many kids don’t get anything without having to drop 1300 and live here for 10 years since birth?
Idk my brain is fried this week, I mean I think I get your point with kids being raised here tbh. Maybe 15 is a bit much from that perspective
Mahmood, the home secretary, has proposed that the settlement wait could be reduced if legal migrants showed they had contributed to their local communities via a “points based system” or if they were earning higher incomes.
A good idea tbh (presuming that healthcare workers will already get those automatically from their job)
I often wonder if the EU and the UK are facing the same immigrant hate, for the same reasons, I see in America. I’d value UK opinions!
People scream “Racism!” at every mention of immigrant hate, but I find there’s more to unpack. Consider what a citizen, young or old, is experiencing. Seems like every metric across the board is getting worse, has been for nearly 20-years. If you’re not watching the numbers, at the very least you can feel this downturn, experience it.
If you’re old, you remember very different demographics; most people looked and talked like you and your cohort. They had pronounceable names like Cholmondeley and Featherstonehaugh! If you’re young, you have a clear sense that this ain’t right, dad and grandpappy and great-grandpappy had it better. They could at the least get fair wages and any man who wanted to work or own a home could do so. What has happened to my country?!
You look around and what do you see? Loads more brown people with funny accents and names is what. Your mass media (Fox News in the US) and social media (mostly a curated FB feed) are telling you brown immigrants are the problem. Compound that with flat-out lies, “Illegals get government benefits!” and “They’re uncommonly criminal!” and you can see how easy this is to believe, even if you didn’t start out from a racist standpoint.
Anyway, I find racism a facile answer to a complicated issue. Scream all ya like, and you’ll fall largely on target, but not for the reasons you think and “Racism!” doesn’t address the demographic, social and political changes and who is taking the heat for those changes. (Note: All of this is a large part of Trump’s election and reelection.)
Brits? Hit me!
It’s very simple. The wealth hoarders are pointing in the other direction. “Look over there! It’s brown people’s fault!” And the media parrot it and too many people fall for it.
Agreed! I’m merely pointing out the reasons that finger pointing is working so well.
The wealth hoarders are the ones driving rampant legal migration. How can’t you see that?
Opinion on what? Immigration?
As to why immigrants as so hated. Did British demographics face similar changes over the past few decades? Did opportunity crash out as in America?
Zombie@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Evil.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 day ago
How? We are allowed to dictate the terms on which people stay in the UK
Zombie@feddit.uk 1 day ago
15 years of precarity is evil. I wouldn’t expect a monarchist and Prince Andrew fan to understand the difference between right and wrong though.
scratchee@feddit.uk 1 day ago
We are desperately dependent on immigrants to keep our nation functioning. Then leaving them living in uncertainty for almost half their lives potentially seems like scumbag behaviour.
If we actually wanted to reduce immigration all we need to do is give migrants more rights, require generous pay and suddenly there wouldn’t be so much demand for them because they wouldn’t be worth the price, but we won’t do that because we need them too badly to fill the hole in our economy, all the bad jobs that there aren’t enough uk nationals to fill. Treating them as equals who can earn their right to live here simply by doing the work we cannot do ourselves anymore feels like the least we can do, a minimum of the respect they are due. Dragging it out as long as possible is the action of a dodgy boss, not a nation worthy of respect.