Hamas, federation and legality

Submitted ⁨⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨NuPNuA@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨meta@lemm.ee⁩

So, I’ve noticed a few posts making it to “all” from some some communities that are, shall we say, unsympathetic to the Israelis readarding the attacks over the weekend.

I don’t want to get into a row about the situation itself as you can have one of them anywhere oome right now.

However, some of it slips into being supportive and almost enthusiastic about Hamas actions.

In quite a few countries, Hamas are a legally proscribed terrorist organisation, and support of them is specifically illegal. Therefore I’m wondering if there is any risk hosting federated content from these instances if you happen to live in said country and host a Lemmy instance. Lemm.ee for example being based in the EU where they are deemed as terrorists.

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impiri@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Don’t worry, I just checked with the Internet Police and it’s fine

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quicklime@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There seems to be illegality all around –

“Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms” (United Nations press release, 2016) press.un.org/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

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- NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  As I said, I’m not here to have a row about the morals of the situation, you can take that to a million other places right now. I’m asking about the risk to instances of material that’s illegal in the host nation being spread to them by federation.
  
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xilliah@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Article 14 of the Directive 2000/31/EC states that hosts are not liable for material uploaded by users, unless they are aware of it.

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- tallwookie@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  does reporting the post qualify as creating awareness? if mods ignore the report due to laziness or political ideology, are they liable?
  
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  - xilliah@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well I’m not a lawyer, but I’d say it depends on the severity. Just be reasonable.
    
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- NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Is there a way to report content on here to your instance mod rather than the mods of the specific community?
  
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  - Historical_General@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You can message the mods. Sunaurus is a sound guy.
    
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Historical_General@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Interesting question.

Would you mind stating your personal political bias if you have one in regard to tis conversation?

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- NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No, I specifically said that’s not what this is about. I was interested in the legal ramifications as it pertains to federated networks and hosting. It’s an apoltical query. If you want a row, look elsewhere.
  
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CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Nazi posting is on the daily schedule for the commies here.

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- trespass@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  While some of the comments from commies are too far, just because you disagree with how Israel treats Palestinians doesn’t make you a Nazi.
  
  You can approach this situation with more nuance than a choice between “Jews bad” or “Muslims bad”.
  
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  - Historical_General@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’ll add that this conflict is not a religious conflict. Religion adds some heat but it is fundamentally about settler colonialism, theft of land, racism and apartheid.
    
    Arafat, their previous leader was literally a Christian, not Muslim. And Hamas, an Islamist organisation was literally funded by the Mossad against the PLO (Arafat’s organisation). What Israel faced is literally their own fault - it’s blowback like how the US got 911ed by the Saudis they funded.
    
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  - CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Most of the anti Israel bs is basically just “jews bad” and therefore nazi. Also celebrating terrorism among other things.
    
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