Submitted 1 year ago by UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN@lemmy.world to videos@lemmy.world
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law
Environmental documentary.
I don’t get protesting for climate though. Isn’t it better to solicit and use lobbyist like the crooked government, big tobacco and energy industry uses.
I’ve never seen a tobacco executive standing in front of a truck yet they get their way all the time.
When do climate activists act like bugs bunny and start mirroring behavior that’s proven to work.
It takes a lot of money to bribe um… I mean lobby for change. By being disruptive you raise awareness and get media attention that makes the situation harder to ignore.
Isn’t it also expensive to protest. These organizations constantly need to solicit funds for this stuff. If climate is an issue that globally there is a huge support to solve. How hard would it really be to higher a couple lawyers, some marketeers, a couple quant phd and start targeting politicians.
You say its expensive but I know of individual families that do this type of thing to change laws because they own businesses locally that need laws changed.
Why is it that a climate protestor is standing in roads screaming while tobacco is at dinner with the people making the laws.
I know the FBI often infiltrated organizations back in the 70s and directed them how to behave so that they couldn’t grow and become bigger threats. They would get these groups to chase red herrings and look foolish burning energy on ineffective goals. That seems like its not talked about anymore. But when I see people throwing paint at works of art or fastening their own necks to industrial machinery while the blue collar every man labourer just trying to do his job has the controls, it reminds me of those stories from the 70s.
Trouble is you need a LOT of money to be effective at that. And I am talking £millions to bribe each MP/politician.
Shouldn’t this be a problem that gets millions in funding. How many protestors are there willing to give up their time but not $5?
I don’t understand the refusal by climate protesters to play the game that everybody from my dentist to the big industrial players play.
How did climate protester’s somehow get convinced that standing in traffic and annoying the public is the best use of energy
“Sign in to play?” Am I the only one seeing this?
It was open before. They must have locked it off. Sorry.
Im sorry but I don't see damaging infrastructure which will then get rebuilt using even more energy as helping. Even worse the mitigation which means moving oil by train and ship and such. At least if you get it legally shut down it won't be rebuilt (but it will just get worked around). We need to reduce energy usage, not increase it.
Okay let’s say it just gets built again.
Congratulations, protestors, you just doubled the cost of the damn thing.
How does that not help?
War of economic attrition is a patriotic tradition in the US. The colonies won independence from the British not by superior might but by making the conflict too expensive for them to maintain.
Yeah but you have not removed the energetic incentive and rebuilding causes pollution. So we add pollution to stop global warming and pollution because it helps make things more expensive which the well to do can easily afford but will make it harder for the average person. Just seems to me its adding overall to pollution and not really solving our environmental issues.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 year ago
I'll admit, they said more than I thought they would in this film (like actual talk of blowing up pipelines), but I was left as frustrated as I always do by these mainstream films that think they're ground breaking but mostly just skirt around the issue - capitalism. The word wasn't mentioned once.
Anyone who thinks our main or even only problem is oil dependency hasn't been paying attention, and anyone acting only against that single symptom of the problem will never achieve long lasting substantial change.
Green energy under capitalism is still going to come from exploitation, oppression, wage theft, and resource hoarding. It's still going to hold society ransom by charging extortionate amounts for power, and will only enrich the already obscenely wealthy.
So yeah, blowing up pipelines is certainly a more effective step than blocking a road for an hour, but it is those who built and those who profit from the pipeline that need to be stopped and held accountable, and it's the system that enabled them to get to where they are in the first place (millions of times richer than most people on the planet, and with the power and position to put pipelines wherever the fuck they want at the expense of the people and the planet) that needs to be abolished.
UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’re not allowed to openly blame or question capitalism in these programs, sadly. Its under the journalistic “balance” policies the media have here.
And you’re right about green tech being exploited. Big Oil and co are so unkeen on us all having solar on our roof as we’d have a piece of the action. Most homes are also limited to 5kwh of export too here, and at something like 5p per kwh.
DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 year ago
Oh yeah, I wasn't expecting much from ch4 but I guess I always keep a smidge of hope that someone might at least allude to it but no such luck, even on such an "extreme" programme (to most people), so I still get frustrated even though I should know better lol..
I just wish someone would give this country (and others) the shake it needs to wake up to this bullshit..
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Speaking of going on at length without ever coming to the point: what’s your alternative to capitalism?