Rightwing lobby group Advance says it makes ‘no apology’ for support given to anti-Greens groups

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/13/rightwing-lobby-group-advance-says-it-makes-no-apology-for-support-given-to-anti-greens-groups

The rightwing advocacy group Advance has acknowledged it is paying for election materials attacking the Greens to be used by third-party groups during the election campaign.

The Advance spokesperson said: “Our campaign against the Greens won’t defeat teals because it was never meant to. We have been crystal clear for the past 18 months that our focus is on the Greens this election.”

Advance has also focused on the anti-renewables movement, appearing at “energy forums” across the country and events held by groups set up to oppose the rollout of offshore wind and solar energy.

What a bunch of truly shitty people :(

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repomonkey@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
They’ve got absolutely fuck all of any use to say about anything - they’re just ‘anti’ the greens. No policies, no big ideas, just opposed to another party. Fucking useless nazis.

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shirro@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Just follow the money. Don’t even need to do that, its very obvious which industry group benefits from attacking the Greens. It is the same companies, majority foreign owned who aren’t paying their fair share of taxes.

It is hard to understand how anyone would fall for these corporate propaganda campaigns but then you think about the number of phone and internet scams and see all the fraud and weird cults around and I guess you just have to influence enough people to shift the goal posts. They must be spending a fortune per vote. Must be nice to have a licence to steal our countries wealth and not give anything back.

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TassieTosser@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Are these the cunts funded by the yanks?

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- spiffmeister@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Let’s face it, probably also the Russians.
  
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- maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Lots of locals who’d fund this.
  
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Auzy@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Voting for people like this is like being convinced to punch yourself in the dick.

Some people need to wait to discover what a truly shit idea it is before. Its a pity that when people get cancer, it doesn’t pop up with a label saying it was caused by Coal and car fumes, because if it did, the choice would be obvious

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Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Looks all’s fair in love and war, as they say, so I don’t see a problem with these people organising against the Greens, Labors, or anybody else’s policies. Let the best arguments win, which is great cause their arguments rely on lies, fiction, and crimes against humanity. The Greens need to be able to handle themselves against attacks like this.

The real question i have with Advance, and Aust Institute for that matter is, who funds them. I have to accept them, i suppose, but if they’re going to have influence over this country’s politics, the average voter must be able to know who funds them.

Greens Truth

The Truthers schtick is so tiresome. Its like a gold star they put on all their homework to make themselves feel special.

The type of assistance Advance has on offer was revealed by two Jewish advocacy groups in a recent forum hosted by the Australian Jewish Association (AJA).

I suppose this is the real guts of the article, the importance of highlighting a truly sad partnership of the Reactionary Rightwing International. These Jewish groups and their links to Advance is a sad union for them to seek.

According to Piper – who appeared in Advance’s anti-renewables Dollars & Destruction video series – the organisation is a natural ally for groups that feel they are mostly excluded from the conversation taking place in parliament and the media.

“Advance is helping get publicity for the grassroots people who have been shut out of everything,” he said.

The victim complex is unbearably boorish.

They have the the largest private media organisation/conglomerate in their corner. They have not one but four plus parties shouting their propaganda. Libs, Nats, ON, Palmer, SFF?, Sustainable Aus?.

They are dominant in all but reality. It is the realisation that no matter how much shouting at the wind is done, it doesn’t turn it back, it can create a hurricanes though… so that’ll be useful for exactly no one.

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- sarahsquirrel@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Let the best arguments win
  
  Unfortunately, it’s very hard for citizens to distinguish lies from truth. E.g. the “Children Overboard” scandal - a well timed lie can win an election. At the very least we need honesty in our election materials. Libellous electioneering is dangerous.
  
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  - Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yeah, na, good point.
    
    I suppose i’s thinking of the longer term argument, where hopefully enough people learn the spurious claim that are made.
    
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- spiffmeister@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  The effectiveness of these groups should be obvious from the referendum, if not the US election. Wealthy people are more than willing to throw shitloads around to spread misinformation and flood people’s feeds.
  
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  - Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    They definitely threw around a lot of money, i believe the way the media counted the funding also probably underestimated the amounts they really had for that campaign.
    
    But the referendum was a complicated beast, misinformation certainly played a part, but there was also simple confusion, lack of goodwill, Australian’s natural propensity to be conservative with our actions. It was always a moon shot.
    
    I know the actual result ended up just about the opposite to the pre/early referendum polls, but i think too much weight is put on those polls as evidence for the undue influence No campaigner’s misinformation had.
    
    I’ll try to explain my reasoning below,
    
    A referendum is nothing like an opinion poll which is a cheap indication at best of a snapshot of sentiment on a subject.
    
    The question asked by a market research company will be treated by a respondent with far less seriousness than that same question in a referendum. So thats one thing.
    
    Same thing seems to be happening to Dutton and the Liberals now the Federal election has been called.
    
    The bar for a referendum is very high, that in itself likely has a tonal effect on the citizenry during the campaign, as the citizenry learn the double majority rules, and the practical finality of constitutional changes.
    
    There is widespread misunderstanding, and distrust of the interpretive nature of Australian law as opposed a more codified system. The populous, i believe, thinks our laws are far more codified than they actually are. A fundamental, but often overlooked strength of Australia is our judiciaries, for now, ability to interpret the statutes/Constitution for the uniqueness of the case before them, the more codified a system is the less this nuance can be utilised by the judiciary. No where is this more the case than in Constitutional law.
    
    My point about interpretation of law is fundamental to the wording of the Voice proposal. It was intentionally vague for the protection of the courts ability to apply the real world cases that would inevitably rise.
    
    But by serving the interests of making good law, it made it a confusing proposition to the citizenry, and due to its vague wording allowed a No campaign ample room to attach all kinds of possibilities that the wording couldn’t reject without judicial intervention, ie a High Court case determining the limits.
    
    So the vagueness allowed a wide berth for misinformation to seem plausible, whilst being hard to deny or counter.
    
    Lack of community goodwill, i also think, was a key under-rated problem with the Voice Referendum, especially when compared to the Same sex Marriage Plebiscite. A difference between the two is the relative dispersals of the two minority populations within the wider Australian community. LGBT+ persons are distributed relatively more evenly throughout class, race, ethnicity, geography, etc, whereas Indigenous Australians are for more centralised along those demographics. So there was a closeness, and therefore higher rates of familiarity, with LGBT+ Australians, than with Indigenous Australians. I think this played a big role.
    
    Then theres other factors like lack of bipartisanship, which decreased likelihood of rusted on Party line voters to vote in favour, against their general election behaviour.
    
    I don’t that was a big moment for Australia. I don’t think most people have reslly reckoned with the complicated reasons why that fell the way it did.
    
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- eureka@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Let the best arguments win, which is great cause their arguments rely on lies, fiction, and crimes against humanity.
  
  How’s that been working out so far?
  
  The “marketplace of ideas” is rigged when most media platforms are either directly owned by ultra-rich shareholders (e.g. most mainstream news outlets, and plenty of minor ones too, and most mainstream social media platforms) or dominated by astroturfed campaigns (troll farms, targeted political advertising e.g. Cambridge Analytica). Why should we expect the quality of an idea to determine its chances of winning?
  
  You’re right that it makes those points easier to dispute and counter, but that won’t happen on its own, especially if the Greens can’t reach the same audience.
  
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  - Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    So, i was speaking in the context of Australia. So thats important when considering how its working out so far. Each Nation’s media is distinct to a greater or lesser degree. And, i think its going pretty well here, not perfect though.
    
    You’re dead right about the media and social media skews. But Australia is, luckily/smartly, dealing with these issues better than most. We actually have a Government whonis willing to put up legislation afainst social media platforms, however flawed that legislation may be, that places known limits in the minds of those platforms owners’ power.
    
    The concentration of traditional media has been diluted from its zenith of power by the ABC, and the introduction of Guardian. One of which will never leave, and the other of which has a great deal of support. And of course those Social media companies whose interests don’t always align.
    
    Basically, i think its going better for us here, which the Greens success as a mainstay Party proves. Along with other minor parties, Nationals not included in that, they have a unique historical context which seems to have frozen them as a share of the electorate and nation.
    
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