Does a whataboutist know that he is a ?

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• Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Pedantery ahoy, but I’ll take your question at face value.

  There is no such term, as nobody is a whataboutist. Whataboutism is a rhethoric tool.

  In my experience, while some rhethoric tools are always used intentionally, like jaq-ing and concern trolling. some are frequently (far from always!) used unconsciously because they just feel right:

  Attack on character, sealioning, whataboutism, appeal to authority, argument to moderation, fallacy of the beard, false dilemma, false equivalence, kettle logic, et cetera.

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There is no such term

    Whataboutist: troll who uses whataboutism.

    Now there is such a term:-)

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    • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Whataboutery is a much better term than whataboutism. And doesn’t lend itself to mischaracterisation as a personality trait rather than a fallacious style of argument.

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• ZenGrammy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Please keep all replies on topic. People should be able to have a discussion about the term without devolving into personal attacks.

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  • WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Whataboutism gang unite

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    • Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      🥸

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• MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Some do; others think it’s a valid argument because they see their media sources (or at least people around them) do it.

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• Rottcodd@lemmy.ninja ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I doubt it, particularly because it’s almost certainly the case that the people who deride it when others do it do it themselves in other situations.

  It’s far and away most common in partisan politics, and it happens because the simple fact of the matter is that most professional politicians and political parties are loathsome slimeballs, and the only thing a partisan can dependably say in support of their preferences is that they’re (purportedly) better than the alternative. So it’s nearly always the case that in attempting to defend or advocate for their preference, they’ll bring up the alternative and shift focus to them.

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• WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • AmidFuror@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Oh yeah? What about Donald Trump, though? Do you think he's smart? So therefore I win.

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So, would you think that anything knows anything?

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• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What about a whataboitist that’s in fact a she? Or, like “they”

  Yeah I thought so.

  (/s)

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