I don’t understand (im new to Linux)
My least favorite thing about Flatpak
Submitted 1 year ago by Doomguy1364@lemmy.dbzer0.com to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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Caboose12000@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Doomguy1364@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
So, I only have 3 applications installed through Flatpak (Bottles, discord-screenaudio, and Protontricks), but for compatibility sake Flatpak will have a few different NVIDIA drivers and their 32bit versions installed for application functionality.
Most of the time, between updates I will have 3-4 different ones installed at any given time. It’s nothing super upsetting, but it is “Mildly Infuriating” as its a slight loss of a couple gigabytes of space.
Caboose12000@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ah that makes a lot more sense, thanks!
as an aside, how has discord-screenaudio been working for you? I saw a couple reviews that said it might steal my discord credentials and held off getting it, but it’d be really nice to be able to share my screen with audio again
Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 1 year ago
I don’t understand (I have been using linux for 2 years)
TheInsane42@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Believe me, even after 28y using Linux this is a tough one.
Is flatpack another package manager like snap with it’s own dependency hell?
GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 1 year ago
I’m new. I only just took my first few steps into the world of Linux like 2-3 weeks ago to set up a Pi-hole VPN. From what I can gather in other comments is that flatpak is a program that optimizes storage by keeping any program and it’s dependent files in one place instead of having dependencies spread out amongst system folders. The drawback would be that running simple commands like OP did don’t work because the files are either held in an unexpected place according to the repository or they files were technically installed in their respective folders, then moved to their respective container by flatpak which marks them as having been “used”. The other drawback seems to be system overhead. The container system must use a bunch of storage.
That’s what I took from the post and comments anyway.
ReCursing@kbin.social 1 year ago
It doesn't optimise storage, it does exactly the opposite. The point is to try to reduce dependencies by having everything in one atomic unit. This means if two programmes would use the same library you waste space by having it installed twice, but if two programmes use different versions of the same library you don't have dependency problems because they each have their own copy to work from. I can see the pros and cons but personally I don't have a use for it so I avoids it
donut4ever@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s why I don’t use them. I love the idea, don’t get me wrong, but seeing all these gigabytes being taken away from me hurts. lol
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 year ago
You can save a lot of space by deduplicating the files if you use a file system that supports that (zfs, btrfs, ntfs if you can find a driver the supports it).
donut4ever@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I use xfs since it is the only one that I have zero issues with. Also, I don’t need flatpaks (rarely do), the AUR basically has everything I personally need.
zoe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
yesterday i tried to delete snap-store, it took firefox with it, and then i got no browser to troubleshoot that.
tried to install firefox from flatpak, it installed it but it disappears after restart.
dealing with linux felt like this lately m.youtube.com/watch?v=D7OmauE8FEU
had to reinstall ubuntu 3 facking times :/
Mane25@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Next time install Fedora!
zoe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
2nd Fedora recommendation in a week!
calabr1@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
That is because in ubuntu firefox is installed as snap by default, as for the flatpak version i do not know what happened. If you want firefox as a deb you need to add a ppa and then you can apt install firefox. There are lots of guides. All of these package managers can be confusing at times
zoe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
i should have known: i didnt have a browser to download anything, i could have downloaded firefox.deb with phone or something then install it
of these package managers can be confusing at times
exactly.
TCB13@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My least favorite thing about Flatpak is that you can’t have KeepassXC and Ungoogled Chromium (both as flatpaks) communication with each other.
polygon@kbin.social 1 year ago
I don't know, man. Unless you're running on ancient hardware does a few gigs even really matter? I've got a 1 TB nvme in my box and I'm using like 300 gigs of it, 200 gigs of which are two Steam games and a few different Proton versions. Surely the 2 gigs shown in that screenshot is almost meaningless in a modern system. I mean you can get a 1 TB Samsung EVO for like 60 bucks on Amazon these days.
hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Which basically means your least favorite thing about flatpak is flatpak.
Don’t get me wrong,but why do you think it’s so easy to install apps via flatpak?
For me the benefit of having dependencies containerized is well worth the wasted space or system dependency incompatibilities.
Doomguy1364@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Oh yeah for sure, I just thought it was funny. I explicitly most things, but for some things in my use-case, Flatpak is definitely the call!
JoshuaACasey@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
wait just a minute there. So I just not that long ago started playing around with docker containers. And one thing that I love is that it’s not installing and leaving behind leftover dependencies when you remove/uninstall whatever program/app you were using. Are you telling me that Flatpak does that? Because if so that is amazing. And if I ever make the switch from Windows to Linux, I’m definitely using Flatpak (and apt. Fuck snaps)