cross-posted from: feddit.org/post/4853256
To whom it may concern.
good; it should be banned; it’s not a social media outlet it’s a propaganda wing for a fascist regime.
Petition calls to ban Elon Musk's X in Europe
Submitted 4 weeks ago by 0x815@feddit.org to technology@beehaw.org
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cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
I can see it being banned for government communications on varying national levels, but I don’t think it should be banned entirely, despite being an awful platform.
Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
I’ll rather choose myself which social media platforms I use rather than let the authorities decide for me. Banning things you don’t like is not a solution because soon the things you do like are getting banned too because someone else doesn’t like them.
t3rmit3@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
I think it’s important for groups of people to be able to choose to ban propaganda and misinformation, because propaganda is not simply information being imparted, it’s an entire ecosystem of deceptive methods to disseminate information and to alter your perception without you realizing.
If it were calling for the EU banning X solely because they don’t like Musk’s shitty personal opinions, I’d agree with you, but they cite the disinformation, misinformation, and outright propaganda that the platform is being used to spread, and I think that’s perfectly valid.
Take 2 scenarios:
5 million actual people telling you that ‘x’ political view is common and popular, causing you to doubt, or at least temper your own personal beliefs.
500 thousand actual people, plus 4.5 million bot accounts telling you that ‘x’ political view is common and popular, causing you to doubt, or at least temper your own personal beliefs.
In reality, you don’t even need the bot accounts to outnumber the real users if you control the algorithms that determine what people see, which is exactly the situation that X is in right now.
tl;dr This isn’t about banning the viewpoints themselves, it’s about banning a platform that deceptively alters visibility of viewpoints to manipulate people.
Banning things you don’t like is not a solution
Tell that to Musk; X bans TONS of people over their viewpoints.
Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
5 million actual people telling you that ‘x’ political view is common and popular, causing you to doubt, or at least temper your own personal beliefs.
This isn’t misinformation. Lemmy gives you skewed image of what political views are popular. Truth social does the exact thing but from the opposite perspective. These are just groups of people self selecting onto platforms they most feel comfortable at. Having opposing political views to that of yours is not misinformation.
Tell that to Musk; X bans TONS of people over their viewpoints.
Again, not in any way exclusive to twitter. Go take a look at lemmy.ml modlog for example. These are both privately owned and the people running them are free to moderate however they desire. If you don’t agree with it, then do go there. That’s what I do with .ml instances too.
sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
One one hand fuck Twitter. On the other k worry the EU might go wild with banning stuff Banning hellsite is good but it’d lead to less good stuff. And help chat control bs in some form
storksforlegs@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
how would it lead to less good stuff? This is only happening because Twitter is boosting all manner of violence, hate speech and disgusting content. What good reason is there not to ban it?
sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
I fully agree that twitter is a far right hellhole. I am just concerned it will become yet another excuse for the EU to pull a chat control again
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Idk why you put “just another opinion” in quotes as if they said that, which they most certainly fucking did not. At best, casually inferring they support nazi propaganda is intellectually bankrupt. At worst, it’s a calculated insult on your part.
Either way, your argument isn’t a good one, because you didn’t even address their argument, you just invented one to disagree with.
x4740N@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Can non Europeans sign ?
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
I hope not.
x4740N@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Well I just did, it’s on charge.org and I’m Australian
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
What are the chances of this actually happening, Europeans?
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
I don’t like Twitter, but I am also not for banning a service or application nationwide. This should be the choice of the user. Do not take away freedom of choice, regardless of your feelings, believes or what you like. Do not be like China or Russia.
Instead fight against the actual problem, like disinformation or whatever it is. I’m absolutely against such a ban.
MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
Isn’t blocking a disinfo place a way of fighting disinformation? I don’t get it
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
Blocking an entire community, service or application blocks access to non disinformation and normal communication too. Instead fight against the specific issues. Or with your logic we need to ban every platform such as Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, Twitch, Discord and even Wikipedia. Because misinformation is everywhere.
I don’t want anyone decide for myself what to use. If I want to use Twitter, that should be MY decision, not yours, not the one with the campaign here and certainly not any government.
Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Is there no disinformation on other social media platforms?
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Should people also have the freedom of choice to buy snake oil that claims to cure cancer, etc? The opposite of freedom is not regulation. That’s a bunch of propaganda used by people when they want to change an inconvenient topic. It’s used, for example, when talking about the ACA and claiming that nationalized health insurance would rob the people of choosing their blood sucking middle man for health insurance.
Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Are you defending snake oil? The pseudoscience con so uniquituously used to deprive the desperate from their money that it became the term used to describe “harmful bullshit sold for profit?”
Freedom of choice or not, I suppose you should be able to spend your money however you want.
But if someone is selling people lies under the promise of medical miracles, we need to throw the book at them.
Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
How is that even remotely equivalent comparison?
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Good thing you’re not going to be affected by such a ban, seen as no European would have made the mistake of saying ‘nationwide’ in reference to the EU as a whole. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 weeks ago
jonathan@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
It had long since hit critical mass in Europe before it was bait and switched to serve as a US fascist tool of propaganda. Banning it is the correct response.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
except it’s literally state sponsored propaganda.