Review of suicides and gender dysphoria at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust: independent report

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨BananaSpike@lemm.ee⁩ to ⁨conservative@lemm.ee⁩

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

The summary:

The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.

The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.

The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.

There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.

We need to ensure high quality data in which everyone has confidence, as the basis of improved safety for this at risk group of young people.

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BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Regardless of any change in suicide risk, what’s so wrong about calling people what they want to be called?

Gender is a construct anyway.

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- ThePyroPython@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Why give a shit?
  
  Because it allows big business, and people in the media to distract the public from what they don’t want them discussing. It also gives airtime to politicians from across the political spectrum a chance to sling shit at one another to distract the public from said politicians falling short of their elected duty to their constituents.
  
  Most people just want a respectful and peaceful existence spending the day doing something they find worthwhile, come home to a roof over their head, food in their bellies, the occasional small luxury item, and if they have kids a good future for them.
  
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  - BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How does respecting someone’s self-image prevent your ability to live peacefully?
    
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  - wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s exactly what most people want.
    
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- BananaSpike@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s not at odds with the article. The article refutes a claim that there was a surge in suicides due to inability to access puberty blockers. It doesn’t touch on broader subjects like being called what you’d like.
  
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  - BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    lol so I guess you didn’t read more of the article you posted than the tl;dr section at the top of if which you copy/pasted.
    
    The entire premise in the article of denying any kind of gender-affirming treatment is what I was responding to. Whether or not that translates into a difference in suicide stats, negative perception of gender-affirming treatment prevents the quality of life outcomes that come along with that treatment and further drives people to suicide, but also diminished social acceptance and therefore a lower quality of life.
    
    In other words, suicide isn’t the only negative effect, and it’s can be a more indirect one than a single study like this can show.
    
    Just refer to people the way they want to be referred to and respect their wishes. Isn’t that what we all want?
    
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Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Interesting how it says the real number is an average of two suicides a year, a small number, really guys not that big a deal.

Then goes on to say that suicide by any young person is a profound tragedy: it should be seen as an indictment of our society.

Despite the fact that kids suffering gender dysphoria are such a small minority and that some children actually do benefit from the use of puberty blockers, the Tories want you to focus on this rather than their plan to cut spending on disability benefits.

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- BananaSpike@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Where does it say that suicides are “no big deal”? The central claim that it’s refuting is this:
  
  The central claim, made on X (formerly known as Twitter), is that there has been a large rise in suicide by current and recent patients of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) service at the Tavistock since an earlier restriction of puberty-blocking drugs that followed a High Court decision in a case (Bell v Tavistock) in December 2020
  
  The article says suicides are tragedies, but the point is to refute that claim.
  
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  - Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Of course it doesn’t say that, and if you are a very literal-minded person I can see why my post might be bewildering.
    
    If in your mind the claim about a surge in suicides is sufficiently refuted, why is it important to post an article about British children and gender dysphoria here, in a community that is devoted to American conservative politics and policies?
    
    Maybe the reasons are to push the idea that gender dysphoria shouldn’t be taken seriously, or perhaps posting here is part of an effort to take these kinds of decisions away from parents and doctors and make legislators responsible for who gets what medical treatment.
    
    I personally think constantly bringing up trans children is an effort to perpetuate a moral panic and keep people distracted from more pressing issues and voting against their best interests.
    
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