What I’m trying to convince you of is that there exists a non-zero positive value that is reasonable to charge someone as rent.
And I’ve already told you I don’t agree. Paying a non-zero amount of rent is always parasitic.
What I’m trying to convince you of is that there exists a non-zero positive value that is reasonable to charge someone as rent.
And I’ve already told you I don’t agree. Paying a non-zero amount of rent is always parasitic.
howrar@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
I wouldn’t be trying to convince you of it if you agreed, would I?
What’s this business about itemized bills to make them fair if the bills are zero?
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Landlords don’t do that. Until they do, they’re parasites.
Also, I can’t tell if you’ve realized by now, but everything I’ve been describing as ways to make landlording “fair” is just a roundabout description of ownership.
howrar@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
We’re not talking about what they currently do though. The question is what they should do in order to be fair and non-parasitic. Where the threshold lies between parasitic and non-parasitic.
So far, I understand that you’re convinced ownership is necessary if any payment is involved. What I don’t understand is why*. We agreed that people should be paid for their labour. What makes home rentals special in that regard?
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Sell their properties to their tenants, or grant tenants equity in the property based on how much they pay in rent (ie, co-ownership).
For an exchange to not be parasitic, both parties must gain something equal to what they lose. This, by definition, means that a renter must be able to pay zero dollars for rent in months where the landlord doesn’t have to make a mortgage payment and doesn’t need to do any maintenance on the property.
As I’ve already said, landlords don’t provide a service equivalent to the payment provided, and the indefinite nature of a lease makes it impossible for a landlord to ever provide value equal to what a renter pays. As long as a tenant lives in a rented space, they have to pay a fee for the privilege, even if they’ve paid enough to pay for the mortgage many times over. You can’t convince me that a landlord can provide potentially multiple properties worth of value over the span of a lease.