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agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Ben Franklin could almost be considered something like a shadow leader, with very little direct power but a significant amount of political influence. I haven’t played newer Civ, if a Ben Franklin play purely buffs soft power, trade/research agreements, etc, I could see this working. He was still an actual statesman though, so even still he’s on paper a better choice. But he’s not a great choice if the build isn’t based on soft political influence. But Tubman just wasn’t that kind of leader, what she did was amazing, but it wasn’t really leadership of a civilization.

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Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Ghandi was never a statesman.

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- Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
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Not_mikey@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
She may not be a state leader, but she is a spiritual leader and civ has had a lot of those. Some people lead with a military and troops, but others lead by embodying a spirit, becoming a symbol of it and inspiring others to do the same. This spirit could be patriotic, religious, ethical or liberatory, either way a person’s passion and commitment to that spirit can draw others in and spread its influence just as much if not more than a state institution.

In the same vein tubman is a leader so is confucius who is also in the new civ. During his lifetime he was just an advisor to a petty king who rarely listened to with a small following. But after his death he became a symbol of ethics whose spirit looms large over much of east Asia. His influence is far greater than the Zhou or any of the other kings of the spring and autumn, yet he ranked far below them during his time.

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