I wish I could upvote you a thousand times.
Comment on Pretty interesting when you really think about it.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I love all the posts calling him arrogant and elitist for pointing out something, in a critical manner, that by its nature is arrogant and elitist: nation state borders.
Those things that make people who’ve done nothing feel entitled to more resources than other people by virtue of where their mother was when she gave birth.
I think dwelling on their artifical, self-serving nature is healthier than taking them seriously in any other sense than the threat of state violence for failing to pretend that they’re sacred.
theangryseal@lemmy.world 3 days ago
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Yes and no.
Borders may not mean a lot when you just pop out of your mother.
But when you have worked 30-50 years building a place in a certain way you may actually have some legit entitlement on all that you built and worked for.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 3 days ago
How do the people living in squalor despite working usually even harder with less protections than that worker who worked 30-50 years having their building being protected from those people’s opportunity to do the same, or to make that worker’s 30-50 years of building yield a little less so that none of them toil 30-50 years for basically nothing?
You seem to be looking at this from a tiny nation state citizen viewpoint rather than a holistic, humanistic viewpoint.
Self-serving self-interest doesn’t impress me. It’s the reason humanity is on the brink of destroying our habitat and killing one another all over.
The most destructive notion humanity was ever inspired to have was “ok… But what’s in it for me?”
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Self-interest is the principal motive of migrants though. Instead of staying and trying to work to improve a bad place they chose to move to an already better place because it’s better for them.
They literally move because the other country have something good in it for them.
Why ask for some pristine selfness to some people but not to other?
I’m a member of the working class. I do get my income exclusively from work. I’m not capitalist, I work hard every day for what I have. So the amount of selfness and sacrifices that can and should be asked to me are small.
Between members of the working class solidarity must go both ways to work.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You being against other laborers plays into the hands of our shared common enemy that created and maintain this mass desperation under threat of the state violence they’ve captured.
If you want to get a reasonable amount of the value of your labor, you need to look up, and not lose your focus of who your enemy is, not across an imaginary line at people those multinational oligarchs have made even more desperate for their famies than you.
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
“Pristine selflessness?” This is a strawman, no one is asking any such thing. It also feels a little like a false dichotomy, as there are many stopping points between “selfish opportunist” and “pristine selflessness.”
AppleTea@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
kinda sucks to be less free than the fucking geese