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Well Hume was right. Reason can’t derive axioms. It can’t create purpose from nothing. It can’t solve the is-ought problem. Passion can. Passion can say “the world should be like this. Why? Because I want it to be”. Reason can’t do that. And thus, reason should exist only to serve passion.

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LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
OTOH reason has kept a roof over my head when my passion would have had it doing Arduino projects or D&D campaigns instead of working.

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- fsxylo@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You were probably more passionate about keeping a roof over your head.
  
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  - LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    No, the word “dispassionate” perfectly describes when I’m forced to work on necessities instead of things I love.
    
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- dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Why should you have a roof over your head? If emotions are irrelevant, what’s the difference between that and being homeless?
  
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  - chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Survival. The emotions are ultimately just crude tools the brain and body have for promoting the survival of the person.
    
    Their crudeness is probably best illustrated with phobias.
    
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    dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    If emotions are irrelevant, why survive? Why not lie down and die? You say it’s not your fear of death or your love of life. Is it some form of worship of the purpose evolution has given you? That sounds emotional to drag.
    
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Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
IMO it should be cyclical. Passion provides ideals and goals, reason can help work towards those but also evaluate them and refine them.

Like once upon a time, I wanted a high end sports car. But over time, through reason, I realized that owning one would be more of a net negative than a positive in many ways and now I wouldn’t likely get one even if it would be trivial to afford. I’d like to not even need a car at all, but reason has me recognizing that that also wouldn’t be a positive given that I live in an area where mass transit infrastructure is poor.

This boils down to having conflicting passions/goals and using reason to resolve them (like wanting a sports car while also wanting to afford other things and to reduce my environmental impact and not driving a sports car is a very easy way, trivial even, to have less impact than driving one).

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xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I feel like I’m learning a decent amount from this thread. I definitely consider myself a (overly) rational person. I haven’t really thought about it before, but obviously I’ve still got some passions driving things.

If I was to put it into words, I’d probably say I’m passionate about learning how things work and finding elegant simple solutions to problems. Which is generally tied to my selfish goal of having more free time to just experience the world without responsibilities.

Thanks for inspiring me to think about this, maybe I should go read some more philosophy…

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- xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Something I’ve come to realize recently is that everyone has selfish motivations, some people are just a lot more careful about how those motivations effect others. Personally I worry quite a bit about how I might be inconveniencing others with my actions, and tend to stay rather isolated as a result.
  
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