I don’t think there is a public health system when you are just expected to fork over half a million for an operation. Those insane healthcare prices are uniquely US phenomenon
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FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
I know it would be covenient to accept this meme as true, but it very much isn’t.
Just like insurance companies in the US don’t cover everything you need, sometimes even lifesaving treatment, the same (though less extreme) happens in nearly all public health systems.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
There are public healthy systems that just won’t offer that operation. Or you’ll have a 1.5 year waiting list. So in the end, unless you’re rich and pay for private insurance, it comes out as the same.
CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
People in Australia do experience medical bankruptcy. It’s incredibly rare now. But it’s true. But it used to be so much worse before we had a public health system. And health outcomes were worse as well. And it cost more.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
An article just yesterday about the same happening in Switzerland
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
Yeah, that happens sometimes. But in this case the price of an operation will be drastically cheaper.
I had this situation in Germany, there was a minor operation I needed to have which was not life threatening so the one that insurance covered had a waiting period, so I decided to go pay outnof pocket and it was around 800 euro. The cheapest price I could find in US for it started at 11000 dollars.FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
For sure. But now imagine your disabled and on disability income, where you get payed 1k a month and are living in poverty.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
there’s still waiting lists in the US.
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Neither this meme nor your own lived experiences are good representations of what the average American struggles with in the healthcare system. Speaking as someone who lost a house and almost everything I owned due to medical issues in my family.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Having lived in two countries with universal healthcare, that meme is absolutelly true and you’re the one bullshitting.
The most “extreme” it can get in such systems is that they won’t pay for very expensive treatments (i.e. the kind of stuff that costs a million dollars per shot) if a person can keep going with cheaper ones even if they’re not as good.
That’s “your quality of life won’t be as good if you have a chronic disease that makes your life miserable and the best treatment in the market is insanelly expensive because they’ll only pay for a not as expensive one”, not “death panels”.
People in those countries absolutelly aren’t going bankrupt due being denied life-saving treatment and having to pay for it from their own pocket.
As for any complains you might have heard from people in countries with universal healthcare, them complaining about it is like people in Scandinavia complaining about public services: relative to what they have there are bad parts, which is something altogether different than it being bad relative to the World and when it comes the healthcare the US is 3rd World when it comes to results delivered relative to the amount spent in it.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Sorry then.
I guess me living my entire life in a system with universal healthcare, being denied treatments that could have prevented me going deaf and needing a feeding tube is all in my imagination.
The treatments for these werent extreme. It was a fairly simple drug therapy that costs around 5’000 Euro per year and is sold in my country.
It just isn’t on the list of drugs covered by public health insurance. As I’m surviving on 12k per year disability benefits, I could not afford the treatment.
But just because it never impacted you you assume my experience doesn’t exist, because you have the privilege that the system never didn’t work for you, so you assume it works.
szczuroarturo@programming.dev 1 week ago
Exatcly they dont know shit. While american healthcare system is clearly fucked there are many problems in european healthcare ( very country dependent tho ) ranging from lack of qualified doctors and long waiting times to very expensive treatments not covered in eu for some reason ( the one ive seen the most being uber expensive often experimental treatment where you usualy have to go to america ).
parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I’m not sure I’m other places but there’s a physician shortage in the US, Canada, but there looks to be a shortage in Europe as well…
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9799366/ euronews.com/…/doctor-shortages-low-pay-and-overt…
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
From what I’ve seen, treatments not being covered are only the case were those treatments are very expensive and there are other effective treatments (though less effective) which are much cheaper.
Mind you, I’m talking about Public Healthcare Systems, not the so-called Mixed Systems that have mandatory Health Insurance (usually highly regulated and with a Public Insurance option for the less well off) - Mixed Systems have some of the same problems as the US System at least in my experience living in countries with one and with the other kind of system.
anarchyrabbit@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I have read the UK NHI doesn’t work very well exactly for the reasons mentioned above.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
I’m talking about Universal Health Care systems (for clarity: totally free healthcare for residents in that country), not Public Health Insurance systems.
Europe is unfortunatelly also riddled with the latter system and having lived in countries with one kind and countries with the other, they’re quite different and the system with Insurance is invariably worse in terms of denials of coverage as well as cost (also because nowadays they all have laws that force every resident to have health insurance, which as result is more costlier than before those laws - as I saw first hand when I lived in a country with such a system when such a law came into effect), whilst UHC tends to have longer waiting lists (think 1 or 2 years of wait for some cirurgical procedures).
Absolutelly, some of the absurdities of the US system are also present in the so-called “Mixed” Systems (i.e. the ones with healtcare insurance but more regulated and with a public option for some) and if you look at the kinds of governments in those countries for the last 3 decades, you’ll notice they’ve been invariably neoliberal mainstream parties (setting up such systems is part of the broader tendency in Europe to privatise just about everything that has been going on since the 80s and was copied from the US).
IMHO, except for the long waiting times, the problems with Healthcare systems in part of Europe are the result of them having been transformed to become more like the US system in the last 3 decades.
saigot@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
The meme has an “or” in it though. About 20% of Canadian bankruptcy is due to health and illness.Here in Canada the maximum disability in ~1500cad a month, which might pay your rent if you live in a really really cheap area. Part of the reason it’s bad like that is because it is so often compared to America, and often greatly exaggerated like in this meme.