Comment on Puberty blockers to be banned indefinitely for under-18s across UK

• 3ntranced@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I understand your sentiment and I dont want to come off as just “transbasher” because i have close both male and female friends who after college decided they wanted to transition. I don’t agree with their thought process but I don’t tell them or put them down for their choice because it’s their choice as an adult.

  On the subject of intersex births, I find the 1 in 1700 to be very generous. Having a mother who has worked labor and delivery for the past 30 years in a large hospital, she has only ever had 2 instances where the baby was born intersex. And that’s out of tens of thousands of deliveries. In those fringe cases I think sure we can allow those to be allowed to transition because there is a biological reason evident from birth. But if you just have a hormone imbalance that doesn’t mean you need to block the natural course of growth to see “what you’d prefer”. Just let the body do it’s thing and when it’s done developing then mess around with it.

  source

  • stembolts@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    {This comment is in draft, be back later}

    I understand your sentiment and I dont want to come off as just “transbasher” […]

    1. You seem to be genuinely open-minded, which is good of course. So as you have been generous of thought, I will be with you as well.

    […] because i have close both male and female friends who after college decided they wanted to transition.I don’t agree with their thought process but I don’t tell them or put them down for their choice because it’s their choice as an adult.

    2. The concept of agreeing or disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle is foreign to me, so I cannot comment on that. I do not view myself as a judge to voice an opinion on any person’s lifestyle.

    On the subject of intersex births, I find the 1 in 1700 to be very generous. Having a mother who has worked labor and delivery for the past 30 years in a large hospital, she has only ever had 2 instances where the baby was born intersex. And that’s out of tens of thousands of deliveries.

    3. You must realize that you are taking two missteps of reason here.

    The first is anecdotal thinking by placing personal experience above targeted and broad research, the world is a complex place and while I have no doubt that your mother presents this information in earnest, it remains an anecdote.

    The second is hearsay, you are not only using anecdotal information, but second-hand anecdotal information.

    In my view, one of these errors alone would be enough to disqualify the validity of your point, and together, well…

    I have no doubt that you are an intelligent person and I hope you can see my concern here, would it not bolster your views to step away from anecdote?

    In those fringe cases I think sure we can allow those to be allowed to transition because there is a biological reason evident from birth.

    4. I agree.

    But if you just have a hormone imbalance that doesn’t mean you need to block the natural course of growth to see “what you’d prefer”. Just let the body do it’s thing and when it’s done developing then mess around with it.

    5. I disagree, I cannot imagine the pain that transgender folks experience because I am not gender disphoric, but I do

    source

    • 3ntranced@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I like this comment. You put the argument into reasonable perspective and have genuinely shifted my beliefs a bit. The reality is I will never willingly vote against any of these things in general election because in all honesty it doesn’t affect me.

      But I do agree, growth development is variable, like how you’ve got that one guy in your freshman year bio class who has a full beard and chops. My only hangup is if you don’t make a decision is like the trolly problem. The growth is already on a set course, if you don’t intervene, is that really making a choice? Or because you’re actively NOT doing something is THAT the choice?

      Alot of these issues be it trans/gay/illegal/whatever seem to be hung up more on semantics and word association than the actual issues which is stupid, and gets the movements nowhere.

      I apologize again for coming off as ignorant, I’m logic dominant brain so alot of my arguments hit people the wrong way even if it’s correct.

      source

      • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I’m logic dominant brain so alot of my arguments hit people the wrong way even if it’s correct.

        That’s a fat bowl of copium for “I can’t be bothered to learn how to reasonably communicate with people”.

        source

        • -> View More Comments
      • stembolts@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        {I am mega sleepy so I’ll do some clean up edits on this tomorrow probably when my brain is working properly}

        Tbh you never came off as ignorant, you seemed genuine and curious otherwise I would not have engaged. We are all ignorant of many things, it’s just a matter of how willing we are to fill that ignorance and how we react to discovering that ignorance.

        Responding to another comment you made here.
        I don’t really understand the emotional replies online either, everyone seems to be out to hurt others and I don’t understand it. It is so predictably vitriolic that I think that most of the rage is just bots arguing with bots to create the illusion of discord. Just a ‘hopeful’ conspiracy theory of mine… surely people aren’t so mean?

        source