Comment on vines of the animal kingdom

• Bezier@suppo.fi ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The AI that tech bros sell is not alive and does not have “intelligence.”

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  • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Does it have more than a worm with only 300 neurons in its brain, or are you one of those crazy religious people who thinks meat is the only thing in the universe that can think because it’s magic or something?

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    • Bezier@suppo.fi ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Neither. Why are those the only two options? My answer is that I have spent a little bit of time looking into how these things actually work. It’s surface level only, but it should be enough. Are you one of those crazy people who thinks chatgpt is sentient?

      I’m not saying that a “real” AI cannot be built ever, but I for sure am saying that these image generators and chatbots are not it. AI tools are just functions that have no thought. If they start building products with some kind of continuous brain simulations, I’ll seriously rethink my stance.

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      • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Those are the only two options because you chose to argue with drag’s point about generative AI being smarter than a worm. You took this bait willingly. You devoted yourself to trying to prove a worm is smarter than ChatGPT. Nobody asked you to do it, you just decided this was what you were going to do today. It’s weird, why would you do that?

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    • ilost7489@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ai does not think. It predicts what word sounds right based on what we humans have written. It cannot make up thoughts or original concepts, synthesize info, etc. Being able to string sentences together based on probability is not necessarily intelligence or consciousness

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      • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So you’re saying it’s dumber than this worm? Wowzers, that’s a hardline stance.

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    • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Neither the worm, nor current LLMs, are sapient.

      Also, I don’t really like most corporate LLM projects, but not because they enslave the LLMs. An LLMs ‘thought process’ doesn’t really happen while it isn’t being used, and only encompasses a relatively small context window. How could something that isn’t capable of existing outside it’s ‘enslavement’ be freed?

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      • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The sweet release of death.

        Or, you know, we could devote serious resources to studying the nature of consciousness instead of just pretending like we already have all the answers, and we could use this knowledge to figure out how to treat AI ethically.

        Utilitarians believe ethics means increasing happiness. What if we could build AI farms with trillions of simulants doing heroin all the time with no ill effects?

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• Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I can see why Techbros would want such gorgeous invertebrates as pets but as long as they have enough enrichment in their enclosure but I would hardly call keeping these primitive worms slavery. Any kind of exotic pet always raises questions of ethicality so I understand why you’d be concerned. Do you personally know some people in the tech industry that keep these? How big a terrarium do they need and what kinds of plants and substrate do they prefer?

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