Comment on Ministers set to ban single-use vapes in UK over child addiction fears
aelwero@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Went from “vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking” to “ban it, think of the children” in only 5 years…
How much did the reversal cost Phillip Morris and RJR, do you suppose?
It does seem like loads of kids vape these days, and rather openly as well.
Disposable vapes should be banned because of the waste, and they should do the blank packaging approach for vapes/vape juice.
Just because it’s better than smoking doesn’t mean it’s good, and nobody really knows the long term health effects.
We obviously know there are adverse long term effects, because you know, we’re making the shit illegal all over the place…
Long term effects are a lack of yellow shit all over all your stuff and losses in tobacco tax and settlement revenue…
Not exclusively. Nicotine inhalation traditionally has been in combination with the rest of the chemicals and tar in cigarettes.
Personally… yes? I know some vapers who have been around in the industry for almost 20 years. I’ve heard reports around x-rays of older vapers coming out nearly the same as a nonsmoker.
The real enemy of nicotine inhalation seems to have more to do with what carries it rather than the nicotine itself.
There are absolutely cardiovascular impacts of chronic nicotine use that are independent of any lung issues you'd have from inhalation. That would be true of any drug, and we're well acquainted with the dangers of PAD and increased heart attack and strokes from nicotine use. It's a vasoconstrictor so that makes sense.
Vaping may be a good alternative for a smoker. Some people find them a useful aid in quitting as it’s easier to slowly reduce nicotine content.
It’s is not contradictory to say vapes are bad. They can be better than cigarettes, but this doesn’t make them good.
Vapes are highly palatable. This reduces a barrier to developing a nicotine addiction. So there genuine concern when it comes to young people developing nicotine addictions.
However, the motivation for this ban is due to the waste produced by disposable vapes. The early vapes were reusable so this wasn’t an issue. These disposable vapes are responsible for alot of lithium batteries being irresponsibility disposed in the streets.
Nicotine on it’s own isn’t particularly addictive. It only becomes highly addictive when combined with the MAO inhibitors found in tobacco, primarily harman and norharman.
Some sources disagree with your claim.
Mayo Clinic
Nicotine dependence occurs when you need nicotine and can’t stop using it. Nicotine is the chemical in tobacco that makes it hard to quit. Nicotine produces pleasing effects in your brain, but these effects are temporary. So you reach for another cigarette.
The more you smoke, the more nicotine you need to feel good. When you try to stop, you experience unpleasant mental and physical changes. These are symptoms of nicotine withdrawal.
www.mayoclinic.org/…/syc-20351584
Centre for Addition and Public Health
In the past, it was believed that because nicotine does not cause intoxication or impairment, using tobacco was simply a bad habit, not an addiction. Today, nicotine is recognized as the very addictive drug found in tobacco products.
Nicotine dependence (also called tobacco addiction) involves physical and psychological factors that make it difficult to stop using tobacco, even if the person wants to quit.
www.camh.ca/en/health-info/…/nicotine-dependence
John Hopkins
Both e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes contain nicotine, which research suggests may be as addictive as heroin and cocaine. What’s worse, says Blaha, many e-cigarette users get even more nicotine than they would from a combustible tobacco product: Users can buy extra-strength cartridges, which have a higher concentration of nicotine, or increase the e-cigarette’s voltage to get a greater hit of the substance.
I’m intrigued, got any sources for this claim?
I searched for “nicotine addiction” and found a number of links to reputable bodies. I have put some of them above.
Don’t know how many times this keeps having to be said but nicotine is not the part of smoking that is addictive, it’s the habit. Nicotine is as addictive as caffeine.
The habit of biting my nails is why I haven’t been able to stop for nearly 30 years, nothing else.
It’s why pipe and cigar smokers don’t chain smoke… because nicotine isn’t there to hold them to it.
I agree, ban single use vapes, but acting like kids get addicted to vaping because of nicotine is bullshit. They do it because they think it’s cool, just like they did for cigarettes.
They talked about vaping as a concept. Like an RTA tank attached to a box mod. These single use vapes ruined the good rep of ecigs
I’m still rocking a $15 kato hammer clone I bought in 2014… “Box mod” made me laugh a little, I remember the MVP being the new hotness because it wasn’t round :)
My first vape ever was a joye e-roll. I would absolutely not have switched over as easily as I did if the two options were convenient little cigarettes or a big honking 18650 mod. E-roll wasn’t exactly a disposable, but that tiny little form factor was a big deal… a really big deal… it’s what allowed me to switch.
Which is all to say that I have zero interest in disposables, same way I have zero interest in training wheels on a bicycle, but they aren’t entirely without value.
Not much considering they’ve basically dipped toes into vaping rather than entire legs.
Most of the vaping industry is independent companies removed from the likes of the usual tobacco figureheads and single-use Vuse and Juul vapes(their brands) were fizzled out years ago.
PM and RJR do have their noses invested in some of those smaller companies, even Altria owned a chunk of Avail Vapor before they went to shit in the late 2010’s.
but their investors tend to be more cautious than the “black market” or smaller vape industry of juice bottles, single-use vapes and box mods, and they don’t touch Delta 8/10 vapes with a 39.5’ pole.
9point6@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I mean this is specifically about disposable vapes, which never should have become a thing. They’re possibly the most wasteful disposable item we’ve ever come up with.