Comment on Is it possible to have a "free speech" platform that simultaneously stops "hate speech"?
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No. “Hate speech” is an intentionally broad term designed to be abused and weaponized against unpopular speech.
A better approach would be more specific. No racist speech. No homophobic speech. No misogynistic speech. Etc. Leaving it open ended and subjective is setting up for failure.
No. “Hate speech” is an intentionally broad term designed to be abused and weaponized against unpopular speech.
Ur absolutly right.
A better approach would be more specific. No racist speech. No homophobic speech. No misogynistic speech. Etc. Leaving it open ended and subjective is setting up for failure.
Unfortunatly that can be abused just as easily and an overly broad term.
Thus i would personaly draw the line at preventing speach that calls for or incites actionable physical violence.
Makes sense to me.
Completely and utterly false.
Every single western country outside of America has hate speech laws without issue.
A) they are not that open ended and subjective
B) the idea that laws can’t be open ended, subjective, or governed through intent and spirit of the law, is only the case in the dumbass American legal system that has been intentionally ruined by simple minded Republicans
You get crazy things in other countries though, like truth not being a defense for libel\slander.
Every single western country outside of America has hate speech laws without issue.
So does the US. Just not for ordinary people.
Those would not be considered hate speech laws I other countries, just normal no-threatening laws. Hate Speech laws typically protect against inciting hatred or violence against an identifiable group, actually uttering threats is a different broader law.
Love the timing making it so easy to disprove your argument. Just look at the flood of European countries abusing broad and ambiguous hate speech laws to crush dissent and crack down on criticism of Israel.
You’re talking about the one instance of Germany ruling that a single controversial slogan was hate speech?
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Having a specific list always misses something, and bad actors will find ways to abuse the gaps in that list.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bad actors also abuse the rules when they’re too broad.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
No they don’t. The argument is that good actors get overly punished for doing things that shouldn’t be illegal yet are. You’re not even being logically consistent.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They absolutely do. One of the best ways to get a community banned on these platforms is to get the rules as ambiguous as you can, and then flood the community with bots breaking the rules.