Comment on Petition calls to ban Elon Musk's X in Europe

thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Isn’t blocking a disinfo place a way of fighting disinformation? I don’t get it

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  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Blocking an entire community, service or application blocks access to non disinformation and normal communication too. Instead fight against the specific issues. Or with your logic we need to ban every platform such as Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, Twitch, Discord and even Wikipedia. Because misinformation is everywhere.

    I don’t want anyone decide for myself what to use. If I want to use Twitter, that should be MY decision, not yours, not the one with the campaign here and certainly not any government.

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    • Hirom@beehaw.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Every service may be abused to spread misinformation. But here the complaint isn’t that people abuse a service, but that the service is operated to spread misinformation.

      One way to address this could be to look at moderation. Is there meaningful moderation to limit misinformation? A service operated to spread misinformation wouldn’t moderate such misinformation.

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    • halm@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      we need to ban every platform such as Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, Twitch, Discord

      Now you’re talking.

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      • Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And Lemmy, Mastodon, Bluesky etc.

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    • millie@beehaw.org ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I imagine that Twitter being blocked in Europe might actually lead to some of those sources moving elsewhere to continue to reach their audience. I’m not a big fan of blocking websites either in a general sense, but a I can see why countries would want to avoid having what’s happening to the US be repeated within their own borders, and that seems to be a distinct danger with Twitter. There’s a pretty good argument to be made that that’s literally its purpose at this point.

      Dismantling legitimate governments with disinformation seems like a pretty viable power grab strategy for billionaires trying to create a megacorp hellscape where they get to do whatever they want until the planet becomes uninhabitable for humans some time after their own deaths.

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  • Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is there no disinformation on other social media platforms?

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• zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Should people also have the freedom of choice to buy snake oil that claims to cure cancer, etc? The opposite of freedom is not regulation. That’s a bunch of propaganda used by people when they want to change an inconvenient topic. It’s used, for example, when talking about the ACA and claiming that nationalized health insurance would rob the people of choosing their blood sucking middle man for health insurance.

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  • Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Are you defending snake oil? The pseudoscience con so uniquituously used to deprive the desperate from their money that it became the term used to describe “harmful bullshit sold for profit?”

    Freedom of choice or not, I suppose you should be able to spend your money however you want.

    But if someone is selling people lies under the promise of medical miracles, we need to throw the book at them.

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    • zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Are you

      No.

      spend your money however you want

      Big fan of the Citizens United decision and money in politics, I take it?

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      • Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ah, I’m still waking up, so I must have misunderstood.

        I hadn’t considered political spending, but I didn’t get the impression we were talking about super PACs. Those are abhorrent, and undemocratic.

        My stance was that if a person wants to buy something that’s stupid, ineffective, but gives them some small degree of hope and doesn’t harm others, then they should be able to. However, I’m also of the opinion that regulators need to remove those products from the market because they’re lying to people about their efficacy.

        Ideally we’d be teaching people that snake oil doesn’t work. But the current political climate suggests that Big Snake Oil has captured the regulation, so I don’t see that happening either.

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  • Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How is that even remotely equivalent comparison?

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• princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  …banning a service or application nationwide.

  I’m absolutely against such a ban.

  Good thing you’re not going to be affected by such a ban, seen as no European would have made the mistake of saying ‘nationwide’ in reference to the EU as a whole. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t really think it’s funny, at all.

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• jonathan@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It had long since hit critical mass in Europe before it was bait and switched to serve as a US fascist tool of propaganda. Banning it is the correct response.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  except it’s literally state sponsored propaganda.

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