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While I’m totally for the workers being paid great, it’s not really MY job to do so (unless i own the restaurant I’m eating at. And at those the waiters are paid way above average and don’t need tips). Here we tip for excellent service, not the bare minimum to get my food on the table.

If you tip to pay salaries, YOU are the actual asshole that keeps a system alive that is the absolute dogshit in dystopian shitholes with no worker-rights like the US.

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lemonmelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
If you’re patronizing a restaurant that underpays wait staff and refuse to tip the server, you’re not only fucking them but you’re supporting the system by going to the restaurant in the first place.

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- Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  If you would’ve actually read the comment, you would’ve been in a clear advantage.
  
  Where i live and eat, staff is paid fair and tips are given. But, as everywhere in this country, for especially good service and not because the customer is forced to because the employer doesn’t pay wages because the system is broken.
  
  I also said that at my restaurants, waiting staff is paid way above average, which is probably multiple times of your weird country’s mininum. Do you even have a point?
  
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  - lemonmelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Sure, let me help you! My point is that if you’re patronizing a restaurant that underpays wait staff and refuse to tip the server, you’re not only fucking them but you’re supporting the system by going to the restaurant in the first place.
    
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    Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You don’t even… Wow. Ok whatever. Suit yourself.
    
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MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
How does withholding a tip end the current system?

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- Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Stop going to such places. I don’t go there (because we don’t have that silly system). Why tip at all? Do u tip the cashier at the supermarket? Your IT-guy? Your mechanic? Your docs? The cops?
  
  But for the sake of the argument: if noone would tip, noone would work as a waiter anymore and employers would have to pay decent salaries. You know, like everyone civilized would do. Instead you support a disgusting asshole employee by paying the staffs salary AND food.
  
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  - MarshallBravestarr@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    We don’t tip workers in those other fields you mentioned because they make a livable wage. Food service workers, particularly servers, often make less than minimum wage.
    
    I’m glad wherever you live pays their wait staff a livable wage. If that happened in the US, tipping wouldn’t be the way it is now. Unfortunately the system has to change first. Until it does, if a customer patronizes a restaurant, they should tip. If someone can’t afford to tip, they should stay home.
    
    The “invisible hand of the market” isn’t going to solve this issue. A change in labor law will. We either need state or federal laws to protect food service workers. Then employers will be forced to pay their staff better and tipping won’t be so compulsory.
    
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    Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    We could probably argue about “living wage” of a supermarket cashier. Here they all, at least, make minimum wage. So tipping cashiers should be equally fine as tipping waiters.
    
    Yes, the system is bad. Not the customer that don’t wanna tip. If 100% would not tip, the system HAS to change as noone would work as a waiter anymore. Doesn’t happen, so no change will ever happen. Except maybe paying them even less coz the customers compensate it willingly. Not ideal too, yes. Hence i would stop eating outside if i would live in such a system.
    
    Yes. Sure. But obviously it works great, so where’s the need for change? People still wanna work waiting and people still tip. And considering you guys vote billionaires for your representative, it’s all working as intended. There’s even wiggle-room to milk you for even more… But i would hope for u guys that there ever will be some good change.
    
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