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Comment on Serious statement: I don't understand the argument that not voting for Harris was the morally correct thing to do, because of Gaza. Why does anyone believe this?

djsoren19@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

To start, we have to understand that the genocide of Palestine started before the October 7th attacks. Israel’s rampant illegal settlements in the Gaza strip may have been the final straw that provoked Hamas to make a move, but Palestinians have been abused, forced into ghettos, and murdered by private citizens for decades. All of this, and nobody in the West ever really batted an eye at the suffering except for a handful of informed leftists.

If Harris had won, the most likely outcome is that the immediate conflict would eventually be paused, just like it paused after the second intifadas. No land would be returned, no settlements removed, but Hamas’ forces would be decimated to the point they could not fight back and Israel would return to their quiet slow genocide until the stars align to renew their attack once more.

Now that Trump has won, the most likely outcome is…that the immediate conflict will eventually pause, just like it paused after the second intifadas. Israel isn’t an island, if they ramp up their aggression ever further, eventually other parts of the world will push for sanctions on Israel. A Trump win doesn’t suddenly give Israel carte blanch to build the gas chambers, they still have to pay lip service to international law. Israel will inflict a grievous wound on Hamas, deep enough that it will take another generation before conflict resumes, and go back to expanding their settlements.

This genocide has been happening since before I was born, and multiple Democrat presidents have had an opportunity to say something or work towards curbing Israeli aggression. They’ve all vaguely promised to work towards a two-state solution, knowing that the current two states are what they want. If Kamala Harris couldn’t even call it a genocide, then she was no different, and it would be foolish to think she would actually take any steps towards meaningfully stopping Israel.

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derf82@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
So, you’re counting on Trump, known for racist, anti-Muslim rhetoric, will do no different than Harris? Ridiculous. Trump doesn’t care, and it’s clear Bibi doesn’t care.

Also, that doesn’t tell me how that protest vote does anything. If the result is the same, then at least go for the person that won’t destroy even more lives.

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- djsoren19@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I’m not counting on Trump for anything. I’m expecting other member states of the UN and especially the EU to act as the actual hard line for Israel, as they have for the past five decades. It’s already starting to happen, and once sanctions are in place Bibi will finally start to become unpopular and can finally be replaced.
  
  It’d be very nice if those sanctions started with the U.S., but it was never going to happen under either party. The number of lives lost will be the same. The U.S. has never been what has stopped Israel, it has always been global perception.
  
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  - derf82@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I’m betting he helps complete the genocide. And I no longer have any sympathy for it.
    
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    Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Couldn’t hide the mask for long eh
    
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phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Well, iirc, trump mentioned something about wiping the Palestinians out himself (or something along those lines, I halfway forgot as trump says a lot of shit) so let’s just say that whatever the result it, it won’t be good for the Palestinians.

Also remember that trump is now surrounded by a religious extremists cult who is betting on Jesus coming back in Jerusalem, and they’ve been working for 4 years to prepare for Trump’s return and ehat they can do with a king with nukes

Talking about nukes, so this extremists cult is also betting on the world ending to make Jesus return sooo, yeah, nothing to see here.

Let’s see, what other ways will this destroy the world? Oh yeah, Ukraine will be fucked too, trump will just force it to surrender either now, or negotiate “peace” after which Russia either just goes on or zelenski falls out of a window. with that done, the Baltics will be next for putin, don’t doubt it. Poland and Czech Republic may follow. What else? Taiwan will be fucked now too so wars all over, yeeeiii.

What other fin can we expect? Climate change is a hoax too, right? Multiple point of no return came and went and shits about to get a lot worse a lot faster

Fuck America, and fuck the majority of Americans, you have ended the world. That basically includes anyone who didn’t vote for Harris.

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spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Israel will inflict a grievous wound on Hamas, deep enough that it will take another generation before conflict resumes, and go back to expanding their settlements.

Expanding settlements is continuing the violent conflict, just not as open warfare.

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