Comment on Anon doesn't tip

• bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  How does this form of protest translate into a change of the tipping system?

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  • idunnololz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah this protest only works if there are also another set of restaurants that specifically tell you not to tip. I have been to some but they are very rare where I live.

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    • HowManyNimons@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Or just don’t go to restaurants. There are other ways of getting food.

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      • terminally_offline@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Forcing everyone to live the way you want to live is such a cretin way of thinking lmfao

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  • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At this point youre just being disingenuous. There’s a thousand comments in this thread answering that question.

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    • Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If no one is going there and they don’t know why, and they’re losing money because they’re not getting enough business, they’re not going to decide the solution is to start paying their waiters more. That will just cause them to close down sooner.

      Also, just as they don’t know why people stopped going there unless every single one calls them and makes it clear it’s due to tipping/wages, the people protesting and going to know even if they do start paying the waiters more.

      Almost every waiter I’ve ever spoken to also prefers tipping because they make more than if they were being paid more, because the business isn’t going to pay them as high as they were making in tips (on average).

      The only way they even could, is if they raised the price of everything by 25%. As much as people say they’d be fine with that, such high prices would drive some number of people away. There’s also the issue that if the business owner realised people would pay that much higher, they’d inevitably keep some for themselves and only somewhat increase server wages.

      This isn’t to say that I think avoiding tipping is the way to fix it either, just that I don’t think it’s as clear cut as just avoiding the business.

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      • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yeah lets ignore all of history and just invent stuff about “free markets”. All this and you haven’t addressed why we bother with minimum wage at all if this was true. Or why we bother with OSHA if construction workers would just pressure companies to change.

        You know when the ad for your phone bill says “no hidden fees” ? They know that’s what people cared about, and they changed it. Now it’s just commonplace even when it’s not regulated. Shoving this on the worker makes no sense, the employer has the leverage

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• VantaBrandon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Thats one way of looking at it… but if everyone would stop tipping, they would be forced to pay them a living wage or go out of business when all the staff quit. Its actually in the consumers power to effect that change, but only on a mass scale. Unfortunately its an awkward social coercion tactic at play now, which just continues to perpetuate the problem pitting us against each other just as capitalism intends to.

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  • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    So we don’t need OSHA? We can just let construction workers quit if the contractors make them do dangerous stuff?

    Youre a bit oblivious to your privilege.

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  • binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If tips are bad, the worker quits. If sales are bad, the worker is fired and might collect unemployment benefits.

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• terminally_offline@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Fuck that, there’s federal mandated minimum wage if waiters don’t make enough through tips. You’re a misinformation spreading lunatic. Probably right wing too.

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• iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Honestly, in these debates more often than not I find that the waiters don’t want tipping culture changed either. A lot (not all, I understand) of waiters make bank on tips and then don’t accurately report them as income so it’s not even taxed correctly. They don’t want that to change.

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  • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t give a shit what the waiter wants honestly, I shouldn’t have to pay the owner and the worker separately

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    • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I don’t disagree with you.

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