“We should allow higher density and missing middle housing to be built and promote alternatives to cars” == “We want to bulldoze everything”?
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Fuck /fuckcars
They actually want to bulldoze so much, just so we can cram more people in closer together. And no, no one wants to be walking around when its 90+ degrees out, or literally freezing.
htrayl@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Hank@kbin.social 9 months ago
You sound like such a baby.
iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 9 months ago
We’re all babies here.
Hank@kbin.social 9 months ago
We sure are but I'm not throwing a hissy fit at the thought of being outside.
PlatinumPangolin@kbin.social 9 months ago
They throw out all nuance and have absolutely no empathy or consideration that others need to live differently than them. Or hell, need to live differently than them in order to support their own lifestyle. I swear 90% of them have never lived outside the city they were born in.
frenchyy94@feddit.de 9 months ago
OK so the majority of people has to cut back on so much, especially a safe environment to get places, just so a few people with a car fetish can keep buying bigger and bigger cars. Got it.
rexxit@lemmy.world 9 months ago
We’re very quickly moving to a place where the QUANTITY of people is so high, the QUALITY of their lifestyles have to be sacrificed to cut down on human impact. The impoverished/developing world has very low impact, at huge cost to their quality of life. Who wants to volunteer to live like sub-saharan Africans, or Indians in abject poverty to cut down on human impact? I’m calling this eco-austerity. Instead of publicizing overpopulation and promoting low birth rates, we’re expected to belt tighten and give up on quality of life. It’s bullshit. We should have <1B people living like kings, not 10B people living like peasants.
frenchyy94@feddit.de 9 months ago
Who says you have to live like people sub Saharan Africa?
Just rake a look at how much of the pollution in America comes from the richest 10%. Same thing in Germany. Those people need to seriously cut down. And everyone else needs to reconsider if the 300m trip to the supermarket is really necessary to go by car. Or if it’s really necessary to have a fucking 3ton monstrosity of a car. Or if a small car like a fiat 500 isn’t actually enough.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I generally agree with you about fuckcars. They’re sanctimonious assholes. But when it comes to housing, suburban sprawl is always bad.
rexxit@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This is exactly the point I’ve been making to them. I think it’s a bunch of people who have never lived outside of a major city, or grew up in new-construction actual suburban hell like Phoenix, DFW, Vegas, etc.
They probably couldn’t afford a car after used car prices spiked sometime between 2000-2010, and never experienced the freedom and autonomy. They can’t imagine not being into a downtown club scene - it hasn’t dawned on them that they will probably grow up and hate living in a congested apartment world and might want to stretch out in a bigger house in a quiet neighborhood. It’s never occurred to them that not everyone works from home and their spouse may need to take a job 20 miles in the opposite direction. Public transit is more inconvenient than convenient even if you give it a maximum advantage in density and stipulate that the trains will run 24/7 and frequently (NYC).
It’s just inexperience with life or being an urban loving weirdo who can’t imagine that other perspectives exist. I want to spend all of my free time in places you couldn’t service with transit. They can’t even imagine it.
mihnt@kbin.social 9 months ago
Yeah, they're pretty much ACAB now but cars instead of cops.
htrayl@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Cars absolutely do suck.
mihnt@kbin.social 9 months ago
I make a living out of my car, so in my case, I'll just have to disagree.
MBM@lemmings.world 9 months ago
If a good amount of drivers walked or took public transit/bikes instead, wouldn’t that make your job easier?
blazera@kbin.social 9 months ago
Ive never seen any calls to bulldoze anything. We do a lot of complaining about how much was bulldozed to fill landscapes with stroads and parking lots. And dont act like we're not calling for buses and trains as well. Have you stopped and thought about why it's too hot to walk around now?
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Now? Its been too hot since the dinosaurs walked the planet.
blazera@kbin.social 9 months ago
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean even if it was pre-global warming cooler it'd be too hot to walk. It's still extended those periods where it's too hot and cold to walk. Plus, again, we also call for buses and trains and trams for your air conditioned travel needs.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Benefit of the doubt? What other intepretation is there?