Comment on There are Minimum Wages, Why Not a Maximum Wage?

phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Moneo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Billionaires have very little taxable income. We need a wealth tax.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Billionaires don’t have taxable income because they’ve successfully lobbied for carve outs that exempt them from taxation.

    That’s what makes a wealth tax impractical. How do you pass it through a Congress that’s been wholely co-opted by a billionaire friendly caucus?

    Chuck Schumer, the senior senator from Wall Street, isn’t going to author a wealth tax. Kamala Harris, the former Senator from Silicon Valley isn’t going to sign it. And the SCOTUS majority that’s on the Harlan Crow payroll isn’t going to uphold it.

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  • EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Many also don’t truly “pay” for things. They leverage debt against their assets, essentially like a fancy credit card that says “I own MegaCorp, you know I’m good for it, just send the bills to this wealth management firm”.

    So it’s not out of the realms of possibility to say that a billionaire is actually spending very little money, ever. What they have is essentially gifts from whoever manages their assets, and that company just skims whatever things “cost”.

    IMO taxing wealth is what’s needed, but it needs to be framed in a way that makes a billionaire want to invest in their country through high taxes. Make it a privilege that is praised, and ostracise those business that excuse themselves from contributing.

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  • orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also immediately redefine income more broadly.

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  • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All countries would need to adopt it because now they can just register their company and summer resort under various identities in [insert tax haven here].

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  • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    1% tax on all registered securities, payable in shares of those securities. First $10,000,000 owned by a natural person is exempted.

    All securities collected in tax are resold by IRS liquidators in small lots over time, constituting no more than 1% of total traded volume of each security.

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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That wouldn’t catch the people who are the real problem, billionaires, who report something like $1 per year in income.

  When you have billions in shares, you can use that as collateral to borrow money from the bank, and then you just spend that money. That’s not “income” so it isn’t taxed.

  What’s needed is a 90% tax on people reporting high incomes as a start. But, then you need to close loopholes. The carried interest loophole for a start, which would nail most of the hedge fund crowd. Then, tax unrealized gains when they’re in the tens of millions range. Then prevent billionaires from handing billions to their children tax free by preventing the “stepping up” of capital gains for their heirs.

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  • Rediphile@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If I have $250k in shares I can also use that as collateral for a mortgage to buy a house. It would be pretty odd and problematic to be taxed on that like it’s income when it’s not, despite me spending it on a house…because I need to pay it back.

    I agree with the rest though. And definitely would love to see 90% for anyone reporting extremely high incomes.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Obviously, the kinds of unrealized gains that are a problem aren’t $250k that someone uses for collateral on a mortgage for a house they plan to live in. The problems are the millions or billions in unrealized gains that someone might use to get a $10 million loan from the bank that they then use to lobby the government to open up new loopholes in the tax code.

      Taxing wealth and/or unrealized gains is tricky to do right, but not doing it at all is even trickier. If you let the ultra rich just keep getting richer, they’ll continue to use that wealth to control the political process to make themselves richer and more powerful. Obscene levels of wealth inequality and democracy can’t coexist.

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