Comment on Bernie Sanders Champions 32-Hour Work Week With No Loss in Pay

JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Powerpoint@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You shouldn’t have to take a cut in pay for this. Productivity has increased and the benefits of the productivity increase has only gone to the ultra wealthy.

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But negotiating only for higher wages per hour and lower hours as a package deal could make it harder to get either. It probably depends employer to employer, but doing both at the same time would be hard to make them do.

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    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Which is why we need to build class solidarity, unions, and strike. A hundred years ago, people fought for everything they could get. They didn’t say “safe working conditions or a 40h work week.” They said, “we want all we can get.”

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      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes that’d be good. But I still don’t see the advantage of only talking about these as a package deal.

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• treefrog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  A lot of people are struggling with inflation already. A 20% pay cut is not an improvement.

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah not for everyone. I’m thinking higher paying areas like technology and programming where pay is high but people are getting really burned out.

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    • curiousaur@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m a programmer, and it’s very different from hourly work. Realistically, any programmer is coding for like 1-2 hours a day. There are meetings so we understand the problem we have to solve, and a lot of time thinking through the problems and architecture solutions. We’re not sitting there typing for 8 hours a day, or at least those are the ones getting burned out. Realistically I’m working like 30 hours a week already, with only 10 hours being real coding, the rest being talking, researching, learning, and pondering. Maybe I’m lucky I work somewhere that that stuff isn’t seen as slacking.

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      • Nemo@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ugh. I once did some independent programming and the guy insisted I do it in front of him because it involved his proprietary data. So much griping about the time I spent looking at documentation or referring to coding assistance sites like Stack Overflow. I quit on day two.

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    • treefrog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, I can see in those specific situations. Cost of living tends to be high in areas with a lot of technology jobs though so I don’t know.

      I’m not those people so I can’t speak for them.

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• McScience@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Honestly as a mid-career IT person, I’d take a 30-40% cut for that extra day without a second of hesitation.

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