Comment on Bernie Sanders Champions 32-Hour Work Week With No Loss in Pay

• treefrog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They’re using a lot of the same arguments the right uses to attack minimum wage and it’s generally untrue.

  In places minimum wage has gone up, we haven’t seen staggering unemployment or inflation compared to similar places without minimum wage changes.

  Going to a 32 hour work week should spur the job market if employers want the same number of work hours anyway. And more money and free time for the 90% is good for economic growth as we’re the ones who spend money rather than hoarding it.

  So, I suspect the reason most people aren’t bothering to argue is that this same conversation has played out so many times for so many of us that we can’t be bothered with tited talking points being rehashed.

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  • boletus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s a fair point, people would be making the same amount of money anyway and have more room to spend it. It would also decrease the likelihood of overtime due to penalty rates, and potentially increase the job slots as more people would need to work to fill the lost time for some jobs.

    I suppose like anything, the best way to do it is gradually.

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  • severien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have same kind of reaction, just in the opposite direction. I’m fine with campaigning for higher salaries, I’m fine with campaigning for shorter work week, but I’m allergic to the combination of both, because it’s usually accompanied by claims that the productivity won’t go down as a result, which is simply delusional.

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    • treefrog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s been studies showing shorter work weeks produce more. People work better when they’re less stressed/happier/less tired.

      Sorry if that reeks of populism. I think you’re point of view reeks of authoritarianism tbh.

      Because science shows less is more, when it comes to work and school. The only reason to continue the 40 hour work week is so capitalists can keep workers in their place.

      And that’s not right.

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      • severien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I have looked up some of those studies in the past ans they measured productivity by the company revenue which seems incredibly flawed.

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    • boletus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Anecdotal evidence: I work in software. We get more work done after time off, and much less work done near the end of a 5day work week, our data shows.

      I’m curious how that applies to different fields.

      Time is not directly proportional to productivity.

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      • Nemo@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My job, I notice I’m often somewhat off-flow after a vacation or an unexpected day off. But I also drop off significantly after six hours. RN I do work 32 hrs: 3x 6-hr days and 2x 7-hour days, more or less.

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      • severien@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m a SWE too, and my anecdote is that I certainly can’t do work I ij 4 days what I’m currently doing in 5 days.

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• fosforus@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’re getting down voted for expressing legitimate concerns, and nobody is giving reasons why they disagree with you. I thought we left this kind of interaction behind with reddit.

  Settings => Show scores => disable ftw :)

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