Factory farms won’t get better until demand reduces
I don’t believe you have any proof of this. there is no mechanism by which reducing demand would improve factory farms.
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Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 day agoFactory farms won’t get better until demand reduces.
Got any great ideas to make factory farms more humane that won’t slow down production of meat? Is the demand going up or down over time?
Of course the answer can’t be reducing meat consumption in general, right? Dont have to be vegan to eat less meat do you now?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
Why do factory farms use outdated slaughter techniques in the first place? Production quantity comes first. They will not reduce their capacity to produce meat just to make the animals lives better.
Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?
i didn’t present any other idea. i said you don’t have any evidence your idea holds water.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
I can’t predict the future if thats what you mean.
Theres plenty of evidence that reducing meat production where possible will help everyone. Theres plenty of evidence that at least a mostly plant based diet is better for personal health for most people.
Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.
Comment105@lemm.ee 22 hours ago
You can literally enforce better conditions in factory farms, and it’s possible we could’ve had the support required to make it happen.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
How would we do that without dramatically reducing the amount of meat being produced?
As for the support, it sounds like you are blaming vegans for factory farmers actions. If they want to do things more humanely they are free to do it.
Its a waste of time in my opinion, and its hypocritical to be an animal activist who eats animals.
We can have a conversation about the ethical slaughterhouse in your mind but I guarantee you we will not agree on what is ethical treatment of an animal if thats the case.
Comment105@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
You’re refusing to get this point right: I’m blaming vegans for public disinterest, which indirectly allows the factories to completely maximize profits by squeezing the animals they use.
I know you think that. You’re vegan.
You don’t care about the pig in the pen any more than you care about the prey in the field. What bothers you is that there are carnivores on your block. A cow could be tortured and slaughtered at 5, or live comfortably in a field and die of natural causes, it makes no difference to you. You’re bothered by the steak on the plate. That’s your fight.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
First of all, plenty of vegans are activists, doing the stuff you are talking about. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
The problem is people wanting to be animal rights activists but giving no moral consideration to animals and doing absurdly hypocritical things like contributing to the system they stand in opposition of.
Apparently you just want to be able to eat guilt free meat? Seems to be what you accomplish with your “framework” of being anti vegan, anti factory farm, but pro eating meat.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
maybe you can’t, but it seems like you think that would be a good outcome.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Whats wrong with reducing meat production?