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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.

  this is a nonsequitur. my guess is you have tried plant based diet, and the amount of animal slaughter has only increased:

  ourworldindata.org/…/meat-production-tonnes?tab=c…

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We’ve had this argument like twice already.

    I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.

    If you would admit that the line on your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat, then you have to also admit it would go up slower if more people went vegan, vegetarian, or simply ate 25% less meat than they normally do.

    You must be able to see the math there? Do I need to send you university debate level arguments? I can find them for you if you want.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’ve had this argument like twice already.

      and you still haven’t seemed to grasp the lack of evidence for your claim.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do I need to send you university debate level arguments

      i’m not interested in debate. i’m interested in provable claims.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Should I use another commodity that saw reduced demand, which caused the supply to dwindle? Asbesthos? Does that work? Maybe cigarrettes?

        What kind of proof do you want and I’ll go find it for you how’s that.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat,

      as i can’t prove a counterfactual, i wouldn’t make any such claim. i have no reason to believe that production could increase any faster.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean I can’t convince you that demand affects supply if you simply don’t think they are related.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.

      you did say it would reduce it, but all the evidence is that is not true.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You think, that I think, me personally being vegan will be the tipping point that causes a down trend in your graph?

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Theres plenty of evidence that reducing meat production where possible will help everyone.

  this is a different claim than you made before

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What claim did I make before?

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Factory farms won’t get better until demand reduces

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Better means less of them, less demand for them.

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