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Context matters. In the ancient world starvation was a constant threat, so a source of concentrated calories like honey could in some cases be a matter of life and death despite the dangers of getting that honey. In industrial society we have in many cases the opposite problem - the majority of the top causes of death are lifestyle diseases which ultimately come down to overconsumption and sedentary lifestyles. Too much dietary fat, especially too much saturated fats, too much sugar, too much refined foods, too much concentrated calories, too much easily consumed liquid calories.

By contrast vegans by far have the easiest time maintaining balanced bodyweight levels.

If you all could learn to let go of your prejudice you might learn to recognize that doing the right things for animal’s rights is also some of the best things you could do for yourself. These “vegans” you hate so much are just trying to get you to stop self-harming.

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Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I’ve come to understand that the healthiest people aren’t vegans.

It’s just that despite often lacking certain nutrients, vegan diets tend to enforce being at least kind of healthy unless you go ridiculously overboard on fruit or vegan junkfood.

But eating beef/honey/eggs being “self-harming”? Fuck you very much.

I am completely disinterested in your arguments, and will continue buying ridiculously good foods from abusive sources. Sources that I’d prefer to regulate in terms of animal rights, but every time that comes up, you people divert the conversation to “if you’re not gonna be vegan you’re evil either way so it doesn’t matter” and everyone tunes out.

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- Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Sources that I’d prefer to regulate in terms of animal rights, but every time that comes up, you people divert the conversation to “if you’re not gonna be vegan you’re evil either way so it doesn’t matter” and everyone tunes out.
  
  Pack it up, vegans. This person was going to wish upon a star to regulate animal agriculture, which would’ve done it, but we just had to go and advocate for making material changes on a level we have control over, and that forced them to be explicitly fine with abuse. If only we had your thoughts and prayers, what a horrible miscalculation on our part.
  
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  - Comment105@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Thoughts and prayers? No. Fines. Potentially jailtime. Potentially forcing them to sell farms and factories.
    
    But you do not want it. You’re delusional and thinking the animals will just have to endure for a little while longer while you’re working on getting the entire planet to switch to a vegan diet.
    
    Besides, you need the worst cases to stay around.
    
    You need to film conversion content, and it’ll have to be fresh content to be effective.
    
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    Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Thoughts and prayers? No. Fines. Potentially jailtime. Potentially forcing them to sell farms and factories.
    
    And how do you intend to implement those things? Thoughts and prayers.
    
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Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I think they’re making a comment on the way vegans communicate their worldview to others, not necessarily a fixation on honey.

There’s also an argument that diet should contribute to thriving, not simply existing in the most convenient way to balance bodyweight.

If your goal is to build strength and muscle, an all vegan diet will be less effective than supplementing a similar diet with animal proteins. Every few years, a top contact sport athlete will give a full vegan diet a go, but they invariably fall back on animal protein because they can’t build the mass required.

Ultimately, it’s all individual choice and body chemistry.

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- Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  There were multiple vegans at the Olympics this year.
  
  If you are looking for bodybuilders here you go:
  
  www.setforset.com/blogs/news/vegan-bodybuilders
  
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