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skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 years ago
Reddit is clearly racist against the Ferengi!
Three Star Trek Ferengi looking into the camera, captioned with the word “feeeeeeemales”
Seriously though, I’ve never heard anyone use “female” rather than “woman” without incel undertones. Maybe there’s some regional dialect of English where this is acceptable behaviour? Or maybe it’s just non-native English speakers? Either way, if the user has been warned before, I don’t disagree with the mods here.
TIL all doctors, military, police etc. are incels.
Are you ok with calling men “males”?
People forget that there are also girls, teenagers and possibly other variants you may want to specify (plus all the male ones etc.).
By using female/male you cover those bases.
Besides, have you never seen internet posts like in AITA or such using F/M?
Never mind all the professional language (e.g. “military age male”).
Just, come on. Getting insulted over bullshit.
We’re talking about a creep staring at women and a creep posting photos to reddit, not a doctor treating a patient or a scientist studying people. We’re not talking about someone filling In a form oor using an abbreviation. We’re not talking about technical writing. You can’t just remove context and pretend like the situations are the same. Any language loses meaning without context. Your argument is meaningless because you ignored context. That context is incels using the word female to objectify and dehumanize women and as a dog whistle to call other misogynist pedants to their defense.
Stop projecting your insecurities.
The post they are responding to claims that female is “never” used as a noun. The claim was not restricted to the posted context.
Besides, have you never seen internet posts like in AITA or such using F/M?
I think in those cases they refer to the adjective female and not the noun.
I still don’t see how one is offensive and one isn’t, when they describe the exact same thing.
It’s as if programmers (noun) were offended when someome says they program (verb) or vice versa.
Yea I see how you may not want to be reduced to just a word describing some quality of yours, but come on, going to war over it is really stupid.
I still don’t see how one is offensive and one isn’t, when they describe the exact same thing.
Female as a noun sounds more formal, distant and depersonalizing than woman. Language is all about nuance.
going to war over it is really stupid.
I agree with you there. In most cases, and without additional context, I think it’s best to assume ignorance rather than malice.
On the other hand, it’s also fair to say that this “going to war” only started a few years ago when incels deliberately and maliciously began using the term female to speak about women in a dehumanizing way.
My understanding is that female refers to the gender while woman refers specifically to an adult of the aforementioned gender. As in you wouldn’t call a 3 year girl a woman and you wouldn’t call a 90 year old woman a girl, as girl carries a diminutive connotation compared to the more apt term woman.
If you ask someone to babysit your little female, you’re probably gonna get weird looks, I don’t think female works as a way to reference children.
Female may work as an encompassing term for girl and woman, but it’s rarely practical to refer to a particular member of that combined group except for technical works like research or maybe police reports.
Sex.
Female and male refer to sex.
Sex is what is between your legs.
Woman and man refer to gender.
Gender is what’s between your ears.
OR male and female are adjectives and man and woman are nouns
The dictionary disagrees with you.
There’s a reason why the Ferengi use “female” as a noun. But some people don’t seem to understand that. When I heard someone use the word “female” as a noun they either are:
× reffering to animals × sexist × talking about some incel shit × a capitalist race in Star Trek × trolling
or speaking english not that well.
I hope nobody thinks the Ferengi use “female” out of respect, their whole “women must be naked at all times and are not allowed to work” attitude is kind of a clear sign that they’re not exactly a feminist society. Every scenario where they say “female” they’re either sexist or creepy.
Or using the term to refer to a genetic female, for example in a medical context.
I’ve never seen someone on the street calling women “females”, I wonder why…
Deceptichum@kbin.social 2 years ago
Are you serious?
You’ve never heard say “female athlete”? Because saying “woman athlete” is absolutely fucking Neanderthal.
You can’t just swap every instance of female for woman. Same applies for male/man. It’s basic grammar at this point.
Burnyoureyes@lemmy.world 2 years ago
You’re misunderstanding a little here. The issue is not with using ‘female’, the issue is with using it as a noun. ‘Female athlete’ is fine. ‘The female’ is not.
PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Can someone please look up these words in a dictionary?
Part of speech is not the issue. The issue is referring to a human as their sex in a sexual context.
If you think a doctor saying, “the patient is a female” is in any sense incorrect or rude, you’re wrong, and I don’t believe that you don’t already know that.
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 years ago
Female as an adjective, is fine, sure. Female as a noun, no.
Deceptichum@kbin.social 2 years ago
I’m fine with that!
I’ve certainly had idjits before argue all instances of female are wrong for humans.
hedgehog@ttrpg.network 2 years ago
Pretty sure they meant “as a noun” since almost nobody complains about the use of female/male as adjectives. The OP had it used as a noun, after all.
Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Female in female athlete is an adjective, not a noun