Comment on Not everything needs to be Art

• Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Remember when corporations tried to claim that money you didn’t spend on their product was theft ? This way of thinking has been recycled by the anti-AI bros.

  Turns out all the money you don’t spend on struggling artists is not only theft, but also class warfare. You stinking bougie you.

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• saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Because then artists aren’t getting paid but you’re still using their art. The AI isn’t making art for you just because you typed a prompt in. It got everything it needs to do that from artists.

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    So it’s more of an ethical “someone somewhere is probably being plagiarized and that’s bad” thing and not really a business or pragmatic decision. I guess I can get that but can’t see many people following through with that.

    Some people got mad at a podcast I follow because they use AI generated episode covers. Which is funny because they absolutely wouldn’t be paying an artist for that work, it’d just be the same cover, so not like they switched from paying someone to not paying them.

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    • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The issue isn’t similar to using other people’s data for profit. It’s easy to not feel that’s the case because “it’s the AI that does that, not me.”

      There’s a lot of concerns around it. Mine is that it stagnates and we have longer periods of style with minimal variety because of artist stagnation due to lack of financial backing. Though, this is for all gen AI as it depends on humans for progression, else it stagnates. People are already getting AI art.fatigue because it feels like that old 2000–2015 Adobe Illustratorgradient vector art—it would be brming with that shit. It depends on more artists progressing our art to be able to do the same. But it won’t do that as fast if art.culture.is slowed due to lack of support.

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• PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Because that’s a harm to society and economy.

  It’s gutting entire swaths of middle-class careers, and funneling that income into the pockets of the wealthy.

  If you’re a single-person startup using your own money and you can’t afford to hire someone else, sure. That’s ok until you can afford to hire someone else.
  If you’re just using it for your personal hobbies and for fun, that’s probably ok
  But if you’re contributing to unemployment and suppressed wages just to avoid payroll expenses, there is a guillotine with your name on it.

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Please don’t use the “but it creates jobs” argument.

    Me shitting in the street also “creates jobs” because someone has to clean it.

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    • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It feels like you’re directing that at me, but I agree with you, so I’m not sure what tone that was written in

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think what matters if you would’ve otherwise hired someone. Otherwise I can’t see it making any impact.

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    • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t agree:

      Before if you chose not to hire someone, you’d be competing against better products from people who did hire someone. Hiring someone gave them a competitive advantage.

      By removing the competitive advantage of hiring someone, you’re destroying an entire career path, harming the economy and society in general.

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      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        A lot of AI use I’m personally seeing is shit most wouldn’t spend money on or stuff where instead of paying for a stock photo they just generate shit and be done with it. Would they have ever paid someone to do the work and especially would anyone have agreed to do such small work that’d never pay anything reasonable, most likely no.

        Before if you chose not to hire someone, you’d be competing against better products from people who did hire someone. Hiring someone gave them a competitive advantage.

        I guess I don’t believe in quite as much in the invisible hand of capitalism. I rather think it’s a race to the bottom with companies buying some cheap slop to use on their webpage or whatever from a stock photo company and now people pay AI companies for it, if anyone. Can’t see the big impact of that sort of shit being replaced.

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