no-gamepad games
i.e. dark souls
Who in their right mind plays souls games or any action RPG with mouse / keyboard?? You cannot even play demon souls with a mouse. A mouse is for aiming in shooters and the like.
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FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 months agoHuh? Keyboard is completely fine. I wouldn’t have it any other way?
tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 months ago
You misread my comment. I’m saying Dark Souls is an example of a gamepad game.
tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh nvm yes I misread
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Can you not? I’ve played various third person combat games (are they all part of “hack n slash”?) with a mouse just fine. I do prefer controller, but there’s nothing wrong with using a kb/mouse in most of those games. Is Dark Souls control scheme really that bad?
copd@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Although his opinion is unpopular and you may have not of heard of it, that fact has precisely zero to do with its truthfulness.
“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses” - Henry Ford
abfarid@startrek.website 2 months ago
Notice, that I didn’t say it’s impossible to use KB for gaming, I just said (or implied) that it’s not optimal. It’s not good, it’s just what we have and what we are used to, and there’s a lot of room for improvement. And I say this as a PC gamer of 30+ years. So much so that when I lay my hand on a keyboard it automatically assumes the WASD position, even if I intend to type.
And I’m glad that I brought this perspective to your attention, because we often don’t question what we are used to since childhood. Hopefully, these discussions will eventually bring us something better, that we have not yet thought of.
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 months ago
It is optimal though. Aiming with a mouse is 9 million % more effective than thumbsticks.
abfarid@startrek.website 2 months ago
You’re missing my point and just sticking to the usual false dichotomy of KBM vs. gamepads. I’m saying, we should come up with something better than a device designed for entering text, and I didn’t even criticize mice. Keyboard isn’t and can’t be “optimal” gaming device because that’s not its purpose, and it’s not what it was optimized for. Games just adapted to accommodate the devices already included with every PC, with varying degrees of success. That is just a fact, not an opinion. Keyboards weren’t made for playing games, we just adapted to using them, therefore they aren’t optimal.
Which means that we are yet to develop the optimal device for gaming to use in conjunction with the mouse, one that was designed specifically for that purpose. Just because you “don’t know what else would be better when combined with the mouse” (quote from your other comment) it doesn’t mean that nobody can design something better.
Yes, controller are purpose built for gaming, and they are definitely far superior in a lot of game genres. But mouse still is better for precision control, be it aiming a gun or selecting a unit. And keyboard is holding it back, because it’s just an unoptimized row of buttons.
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 months ago
Okay. Well pitch something better then. I’m genuinely interested. I’m not trying to be aggressive.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Per their original comment, they aren’t saying mouse is bad. Their problem is with the keyboard.
Why are you bringing up the mouse again?
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 months ago
I also disagree with the keyboard comment. I see no issue with it and I don’t know what else would be better when combined with the mouse.
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 2 months ago
For precise inputs keyboards are really good, stuff like tactical shooters, a lot of custom fighting game controllers are basically just paired down keyboards too.
Keyboards are pretty fucking cool, analog sticks are easy to use and good if you need the 360 degree movement, but otherwise keyboards all the way.
abfarid@startrek.website 2 months ago
You’re misinterpreting my point. We can make a device with precise inputs that isn’t a flat slab of buttons, we just haven’t yet. This is not a gamepad vs. KBM argument.
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 2 months ago
that’s a hitbox, you’re talking about a hitbox
which is just a slab with less buttons on it