Comment on Mona’s ‘Ladies Lounge’ wins court battle to exclude men from art-filled space
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
That’s an interesting idea.
Ignoring the legal side of things, since that’s already finished and I’m not familiar with Aussie laws anyway.
The concept of a restricted space for an art experience that works for both the admitted and refused parties as a different experience is pretty damn intriguing. The execution of it in this case arguing after refusing admission to someone seems to defeat the purpose to a small degree, but that’s nitpicking.
The core concept is, I think, something that should be expanded. Other locations, and other dichotomies. I don’t know if it would pass legal muster here in the states, but I’d love to have a seat and watch how it played out in a busy place here.
Isn’t that fundamentally the idea behind ‘separate but equal’, which has been pretty thoroughly smacked down in the US? It very quickly turned into (always was) separate and not equal.
Doing it in an ironic, performative way for art is one thing, but I’m not sure it’s a great blueprint generally.
The execution of it in this case arguing after refusing admission to someone
I’m not sure what you mean by this.
That the claim of the exclusion of men from the art being part of the art itself was made after someone complained rather than being something that was stated from the beginning.
Mind you, I’m basing it off of the article.
Oh I see what you mean. I dunno, it kinda seemed obvious to me that that was part of it?
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 2 months ago
Don’t quote me on this but I think the complainant can appeal to other courts here in Australia, so the legal shenanigans might not be over.
While it’s not explicitly stated anywhere, I think the whole thing is part of the artwork. From the original exhibition, to the legal complaint (I don’t think the complainant is a plant for publicity) to the various court hearings and media circus.
Pretty clever.
protist@mander.xyz 2 months ago
I recall reading at the initial hearing the artist had several women dressed identically in attendance performing choreographed movements in the courtroom. She sounded absolutely delighted at the idea of being sued over this, because her entire point was putting men in a position that usually only women are in, and vice versa
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 2 months ago
I think there have been performances at most of the hearings, in and outside the court.
scrion@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Kirsha Kaechele is delightful. Unfortunately, I don’t know how much of her old Ayahuasca - consuming self is left, she mentioned herself she became a lot more conservative.
Still, she did a bunch of interesting projects: Eat the Problem, 24 Carrots, a rap themed gun buyback in New Orleans…
Now that I think of it, this post is mostly me reflecting what I think of her as an artist these days. I was having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that success in the art world often forces the artist to adapt and conform, and I could see some of that in her as well. I have to say though, she is probably doing a good job and I shouldn’t be complaining.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Oh man, if they designed it that deeply, that’s genius
I got the impression from the article that the claim of the exclusion being part of the art, to create the sense of being the target of sexism was being made after the fact. But if it was part of the plan from the beginning, that takes it to another level. Setting it up to face legal scrutiny as mirror of how women’s rights had to be won, that’s next level art.
maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 2 months ago
I haven’t checked any sources but I thought exclusion being part of the artwork was a part of the intention.
Again without checking any sources I don’t think it’s safe to say they expected legal issues. But when they arose the fact that they chose to lean into them to extend the work is what makes it clever.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
just put a toilet in the middle. say it’s the ladies room. ez