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• helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Please explain to me why a group of people gets a specific scholarship made for them soley based on their skin color?

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  • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Research has shown that students from Black minority and ethnic (BME) backgrounds are less likely than white students to achieve a first or upper second class degree, despite high level entry qualifications. Deep rooted inequalities and systemic racism contribute to this. Furthermore, this can lead to differences in employment outcomes between white and BME students long after graduation.

    Imagine we have a student from a disadvantaged background. They win a place at university and they receive the tuition fee loan and maintenance loan from student finance. In the majority of cases, these loans will not cover their living costs and this is why 67% of students now have to work part-time while they study. If you cannot rely on the bank of Mum & Dad, the pressure of studying and working to cover your costs such as food, books, equipment, travel and accommodation can take its toll on your studies. 79% of students now say they worry about money constantly.

    Of course, scholarships do not have to be exclusively offered to BME students. They can also be used to achieve other diversity targets, such as attracting women into STEM or disadvantaged students in to the professions.

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    • helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Deep rooted inequalities and systemic racism contribute to this.

      Please explain the current inequalities black and ethic minorities face. If this a major point of the article, it needs to be defined and example needs to be given. Everyone is crying “systemic racism” yet it’s the white who don’t get scholarship based solely on their skin color. They’re not benefiting from diversity hires.

      Furthermore, this can lead to differences in employment outcomes between white and BME students long after graduation. Well, yes if you don’t finish collage that’s going to affect employment long term.

      In the majority of cases, these loans will not cover their living costs and this is why 67% of students now have to work part-time while they study

      That issue is not limited to people of color, whites have the same problem. The student debt issue is another problem, but its fucked up for everyone.

      If you cannot rely on the bank of Mum & Dad,

      Why does it seem like it is assumed every white person has generations of generational wealth built up? A lot whites, don’t have parental banks either. Who’s helping them?

      Fundamentaly a scholoship that says “must be black to apply” is excluding a large group of people solely based on skin color. A poor white kid and a poor black could grow up in the same house and both are going to end up in a mountain of debt, but one of them gets a little more help because they happen to have a different skin color.

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      • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Please explain the current inequalities black and ethic minorities face.

        I wish I could also thank you for a proper reply, but it really seems like you’re taking the piss. If you don’t even understand that racism is a thing, then it’s not really worth the effort of trying to explain any of this to you.

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  • BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Sure. People of that skin about 15 million people for 400 year built this country without being able to reap any rewards for their contributions. Then I took another 80-99 years to give those people equal rights that we still struggle with today. By the time they became equal everything was owned and they were already cast into poverty. Until we see equal outcomes from people of that skin color as the average majority they deserve as much help as we can give them. Honestly they deserve reparations. But instead they only get scholarships until the college population equals that of the racial makeup of this country. Oh yeah they qualify for college just they wouldn’t get accepted because the institution is racist or with out the help the kids will have to potentially put their family at risk with huge loans.

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    • helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      First, think you for a proper reply.

      By the time they became equal everything was owned and they were already cast into poverty. What about all the immigrant families from the 1900s? By the time they moved over “everything” was owned and they too were cast into poverty. There seems to be a belief that if your skin color is white, you are immeditatly have generational weatth, when that simply is not true.

      Honestly they deserve reparations. How do you figure that out? There’re blacks finding on out one their grandparents decemded form slaves owners. Do they have to pay reparations, do they get half reparations? What about an immigrant who moved from Europe 20 years ago, do they pay reparations too? How about the Asians who were forced into internment camps during ww2, (they seem to doing alright after 80 years). Unfortunatly, I don’t see any way to figure out “who deserves what”. Frankly, if a child isn’t responsible for their parents crimes, why are whites being asked to take responsibitly for their great-great-great-great grandparents crimes? I will say, current communities (mostly the poor urban ones) deserves a lot of reparations from the politioms that are failing them, not the average white Joe.

      They deserve as much help as we can give them. The gov. needs to fix how we are giving people help. It seems that current help doesn’t actually encourage independent finical success. They way the aid is handed out based on income, a lot of people find they get less money than if they did work or got a raise. Let’s say the gov gives you 1k a month, you make federal min wage $7.25, work 40hrs and make $290 a week. Your total for the month(4weeks) is $2160 (pre-tax). That’s a fair amount. Let’s say get a raise, to $10, that $400 a week, but because your making more your aid also decreases. You’re making $440 more, it seems fair to drop your aid to $700 a month, so now your taking home $2300. That’s a nice increase, until you account for taxes. That aid isn’t taxed like wages, if at all. A lot of times, after taxes, an increase in wage and decrease in wage results in less going to the bank. Who is going to work for a better job, if they can just keep getting their free aid and make more money?

      they qualify for college just they wouldn’t get accepted because the institution is racist Stop asking about physical characteristics on the application, and even if some old white racists is in charge of it, they won’t know. Acception is based on merits, if certain communities are denied more often because they do not meet the merit based requirments, we need to look at the way underfunded primary education/childhood not the university.

      With out the help the kids will have to potentially put their family at risk with huge loans. That’s a problem across all races, not just blacks or disadvantaged one. My parents didn’t even qualify for the the family loans because their income was too low, yet I didn’t qualify for any income based scholarships, my skin was the wrong color for those ones. Just got some financial aid, a mountain of debt and a few small merit based scholarships.

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      • reliv3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The reality is: if you don’t understand why providing “white” scholarships is very different from providing “people of color” scholarships, then you don’t have a full understanding of how Racism manifests in America. This is a fundamental thing you will need to work to better understand before a discussion of this topic can be useful.

        Nevertheless, you are correct that not every white person in America take advantage of generational wealth, but this is besides the point. The fact is Black Americans have been in this country for 400 years and the community is still disproportionately impoverished, whereas there are a lot of European/Asian immigrants who have been here for much less time and they are much better off. You kind of make this observation in your response, but missed the implications it has on how Racism rewards certain demographics.

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