Comment on Do remote workers actually work? Yes, but they also shop and shower

• naught101@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The backlog at my old job was a solid couple of years long. Probably a decade if you included all the non-critical stuff

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• buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you’re fortunate enough to work in a job that doesn’t care how much of your time is “company time,” and you can work 5 hours a week to get everything expected of you done, that’s great, but I would be quiet about it.

  Ok, first there are no jobs like this. Or, to be more precise, there are jobs like this but they are few and far between and are always in offices where you can make it look like it’s taking a lot of time to get your work done while basically goofing off. And generally speaking they’re hourly paid.

  Salaried jobs pretty much have a pretty rigorous work load. They don’t hire people for a salary position without knowing how much work it takes to get the job done. So whether you are sitting in an office or sitting at your desk at home, the same amount of actual work is required. The only difference is that you don’t waste hours getting dressed up and commuting to your job. This is why work from home arrangements tend to be far more efficient for both the worker and the company.

  The reason these CEOs and managers are trying to force everyone back into offices is to justify their own egos and jobs. There is literally a ton of evidence that work from home jobs are way more productive than work from office jobs. But these egotistical douchebags don’t care. They need to see people slaving away at a desk and to be seen walking through their expensive office buildings in order to feel like they are worthwhile.

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  • WoahWoah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think your argument overlooks some important factors. First, it might not be the case you’re maximizing productivity for the company when, by your own admission, you’re regularly taking longer lunches and ending work early. Research shows that while remote work can increase productivity by 10-20% for some people, other research shows a decline in productivity. Additionally a recent study from Harvard indicated the productivity increase is less about daily productivity but rather that there are less sick days being taken because they can WFH and turnover decreases because people don’t want to leave for a better job (or get fired for taking sick days while WFH) without WFH benefits, which can also stagnate wages. And your stated dramatic threefold increase in efficiency seems extremely unlikely.

    The idea that you can complete all your work in less hours a week I believe, but not without any trade-offs. Studies show that remote workers are often more productive due to fewer distractions and no commute, but employers expect that time saved to translate into higher output, not shorter workdays. If a manager noticed you had that extra time, I’m just saying they’d likely give you more tasks to fill your work hours more effectively.

    So, while remote work might make you more efficient, your argument that productivity offsets a reduction in work hours might not hold up if you get an asshole manager or project director that has good surveillance of your workflow. A manager would see the underused time and adjust your workload accordingly to maximize your productivity, so I’m just saying you might not want to make it obvious to any superiors that they can extract more labor from you. Though, I think that’s generally good advice for any job! Protect your time.

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    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      if you get an asshole manager or project director that has good surveillance of your workflow. A manager would see the underused time and adjust your workload accordingly to maximize your productivity

      There is no accounting for shitty bosses. And this happens in the office as well.

      I also don’t see why you seem to be arguing against work from home. Most people who do work from home are pretty happy with it, the only ones who tend to not be happy with it are corporate execs. And I’ve already stated why I think they don’t like it.

      And my main point remains the same. The problem is that corporations and companies think they own your time. That is the problem. They are paying you for work they need done, your time is your own. Or at least it should be.

      Honestly, what pretty much all office workers truly need is a union. They all need to unionize and develop contracts with these companies that outline exactly what they can ask of them and what they get in return.

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      • WoahWoah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I agree with your last point, and while I’m not against working from home—in fact, I think it’s fantastic for employees—I don’t believe it’s equally great for businesses. The shift to remote work has really highlighted just how much of the work people do is, in Graeber’s words, “bullshit.” As David Graeber aptly said, “It’s as if someone were out there making up pointless jobs just for the sake of keeping us all working.”

        This realization is a bit uncomfortable for many companies because it suggests that a significant part of their operations might not be as crucial as they thought. Instead of streamlining and rethinking these roles, they’ve expanded managerial surveillance. Companies are now using intrusive monitoring tools that track every keystroke, mouse movement, and even how long you’re inactive.

        This heightened surveillance turns the promise of flexibility and freedom that WFH initially offered into a kind of digital panopticon, where employees feel like they’re constantly being watched. It raises concerns that we might be heading toward a hyper-Fordist nightmare—a future where efficiency is chased at the expense of worker well-being, and the lines between work and personal life become hopelessly blurred.

        The early excitement about working from home could unintentionally lead to significant downsides for employees. Invasive monitoring can ramp up stress, erode privacy, and make people feel dehumanized. Plus, the loss of trust between employers and employees can hurt morale and actually decrease productivity over time. It’s important we address these issues now to prevent remote work from becoming a tool for unprecedented employee exploitation, which is why I think of all your commentary so far, your last paragraph here is probably the most agreeable and important.

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