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figaro@lemdro.id ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Here’s the thing - the people who don’t return their shopping carts even know that this is a test. If they did, their behavior would change. If you know about the test, it fundamentally voids the test. And that is what makes it valid. If there is no pressure, what do they do?

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Redfox8@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
But the ‘test’ is peer pressure, no? Which exists permanently in real life so there will always be a portion of people only returning the cart because of that.

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PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Goodharts law in action

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Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Or you could just not judge strangers who are in a rush.

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- PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You can typically tell when someone is in the kind of rush that’d excuse being a jerk to others
  
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  - Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Theres lots of reasons someone might feel or be incapable of following all of the social norms. Good and bad reasons. Since we can’t know which is which at a glance its best to withhold judgment.
    
    Although some cases are like 99% sure and you can totally judge their pants off all you want.
    
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    PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I feel like this was chosen specifically because it’s one of those cases where it’s easy to tell.
    
    For instance, there was a Walmart next to a bus stop I used to take. People had to take their groceries to the bus, but Walmart didn’t put a shopping cart corral within like 200 meters of it. I don’t really blame people too harshly for leaving their carts there, if they’re taking a big load of groceries on the bus.
    
    Fwiw it’s not that it’s a social norm that is important, it’s it’s natural as a social good, and it’s nature as something (typically) trivial to do.
    
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- figaro@lemdro.id ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  As God, I temporarily relieve the souls who are currently in a rush from the consequences of failing the shopping cart test. They will be tested again, however, using seemingly innocuous daily items to prove if they belong in the good place.
  
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