Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone

• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food?

  as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it’s highly effective.

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening.

    Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point.

    The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening.

      that’s not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation.

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  • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lol, ok so you’re including labor cost?

    A couple years of a dear ‘gathering nutrients’, vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)?

    I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you’re making this into a fun little digression.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden.

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      • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Costs nothing to harvest a plant, too.

        Costs a great deal to own a gun and ammunition, a truck to haul, tools and labor to clean and butcher, and more to store and prepare it. To speak nothing of the labor of the dear to produce the biomass.

        Lol we can keep going with this if you want, it’s pretty fun.

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  if it’s free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive.

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  • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy?

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead?

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead?

      regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn’t acknowledge the material conditions of most people.

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      • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        oxford paper doesn’t acknowledge the material conditions of most people

        It acknowledges the material conditions of production

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right?

      but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn’t something most people think is a moral good.

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      • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I thought your point was to disregard the morality of the diet and focus on the economics?

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