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• archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  or who catches, raises, or hunts their own.

  How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food?

  Or how does ‘free or subsidized meat’ compare with free or subsidized plant based food?

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food?

    as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it’s highly effective.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Most vegans would allow an exception for certain lifestyles. People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening.

      Ideally we wouldnt hunt at all but thats like some sort of futuristic goal. Noones going to tell you to starve your family to appease veganism, thats not the point.

      The point is to reduce suffering and abuse wherever possible. Sometimes its not possible.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        People hunting for their homestead aren’t going to cause a global issue like is currently happening.

        that’s not what the vegan society says about animal exploitation.

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    • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lol, ok so you’re including labor cost?

      A couple years of a dear ‘gathering nutrients’, vs a summer of cultivating a garden and harvesting? Or do I need to include the energy expenditure (energy ingested by the dear minus energy lost to biological processes, vs solar energy collected minus energy expended on building plant mass and energy expended in harvest)?

      I was really just pointing out the absurdity of your complaint about the study but you’re making this into a fun little digression.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        it costs us almost nothing to take down a deer. it costs us a great deal to raise a garden.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if it’s free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive.

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    • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right? Or are you talking about the cost of the state subsidy?

      Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead?

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wouldn’t it be cheaper to the state to subsidize a plant-based diet instead?

        regardless of what would be a good decision for the state, the oxford paper doesn’t acknowledge the material conditions of most people.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If it’s free then throwing it out costs nothing though, right?

        but replacing it would cost something. throwing away perfectly good food isn’t something most people think is a moral good.

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